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This story is an elaboration of Illidan's experiences in the third war which ties in to my fan comic about the Burning Crusade, but it can just as well stand on its own. Gul'dan becomes a major influence in Illidan's life as soon as he starts speaking to him through his skull as Gul'dan did with Ner'zhul. It is the first in several short stories I am writing for the major characters in my fan-comic, although this one is going to be the longest. I decided against making this into a comic itself since it's difficult to convey emotion through Blizzard's stale models. I'd like to give it a good title but I can't think of anything at the moment. I would greatly appreciate feedback and also please point out any grammatical or continuity errors.
Part One Part Two Part Three Part Four Part Five Part Six Part Seven Part Eight This is the first part: ![]()
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![]() Treant Join Date: Aug 2011
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Wow Andy, I really want to read your comic now. A really cool elaboration on one of the best moments of WC3. I love it!
As for grammer and spelling errors, I saw a couple and I'm sure there's more, but I'll let DarkAngel handle that. He's much better at that stuff than I am. Other than that, I want more ![]() |
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![]() Ranger Join Date: Sep 2010
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If I may do my thing on this...
If you're giving his thoughts in a "quotation" style, wouldn't it be more likely Illidan would say "they will see that I was right?" Quote:
Who is the focus character for this passage? If you're going to describe someone's inner feelings, you have to stay on the same person. We start with Illidan, then suddenly move to Tyrande, then to Furion at the very end. Who's perspective are we seeing this from? Granted, your whole reason for writing was to show internal workings not availible in the comic, but perspective switches are best denoted with section breaks. That's what I do, at least. Quote:
Maiev? I'd always heard that she was conveniently away at the time of Tyrande's invasion. Could just be fanon, though. There's more than a few brushes with the past tense rule, here:
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As an overview, it went well. The true inner conflict can't be portrayed in a viusal medium like comics or the game itself, so "novelizations" like this provide critical insight. Somehow, the characters feel kind of...bland. That's probably because your plot was written for you, I'll concede. Keep more coming.
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Your help is very much appreciated Dark Angel. I am learning a lot from you. I made all of the corrections except I am not sure how to approach the character focus dilemma yet without having to rewrite it all.
I hope that the change of font and size is alright with everyone. Maybe it's just me, but I have trouble reading the default font on any of the backgrounds of this forum. Quote:
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Whew! I entirely rewrote this part three times. It mostly had to do with how I wanted to portray Fandral's character who is part of the larger picture in forming Illidan's state of mind. In the first scrapped version, Fandral was entirely on Illidan's side, with Illidan sort of leaving an imprint on Fandral's personality, but I think it was kind of cliche and not true to his character. In the other version, he was in battle for the first time since the Shifting Sands and clearly wasn't ready. He was suffering from PTSD and was making terrible decisions. Illidan wound up wresting control of the army from him. I think that version would have been great had I been writing a story about Fandral, but this is about Illidan, and the depiction of him that I went with is going to work best as this and the next part play out.
As always, I welcome and ask for your questions, criticism and corrections. ![]()
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Last edited by AndyJP : 08-22-2011 at 09:14 PM. |
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![]() Elune Join Date: Jul 2007
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This has the word "AWESOME" written all over it. I'm gonna save it and read it later when I'm off Internet, and post the feedback once I'm on again
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![]() Ranger Join Date: Sep 2010
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Ah, I always wondered how Illidan got a loyal army so fast. Good explanation. Once again, watch those verbs! The story is in the past. Keep it there.
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You did well at holding my interest. It's those little 'human touches' on the characters that make the story seem real. The part at the end where the dead child sets Fandral off gives a visceral, fully understandable motive for what happens next. Let's see if you can keep this up. ![]() What's Thrall so confused about?
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Thank you as always, DA! I corrected the errors.
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I wasn't sure whether to put "all civilization" or not. The Night Elves had just discovered humans and orcs, but until then I think they would have thought they were on top of the world. Definitely Fandral would think that way. I see his personality as similar to Lord Ravencrest from the War of the Ancients.Quote:
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The next part is planned to cover the battle to take the skull of Gul'dan and the battle against Tichondrius, which ends Illidan's story in Reign of Chaos, and I move on to cover The Frozen Throne.
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![]() Eternal Join Date: Oct 2010
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Damn awesome... Waiting for new updates on this and your comic.
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Thanks! The comic is updated every monday and friday, and I plan to have the next part of this story done by the end of the week. It will wrap up Illidan's story in "Reign of Chaos" and I can move into "The Frozen Throne".
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![]() Hippogryph Rider Join Date: Sep 2011
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This story has been told 10,000 times but seeing the little additions you are making is enough to make me wonder "what is going to happen next" due to adding things like Fandral's insight.
I already told before but I'll repeat it here that I look forward to your continuing creativity~
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![]() Hippogryph Rider Join Date: Sep 2011
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Disgaea is so addicting, I've spent way too long lying in bed leveling up my characters rather than going to sleep ><
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Same here, dood! I loved my army of Majins. I have only played the first two games because I don't own a playstation 3.
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This was meant to cover both battles. I've never thought of myself as being very good at describing battle scenes, so I didn't plan for the battles themselves to be very descriptive. But I gave it a shot and I guess it turned out alright. So this one only covers the battle to acquire the Skull of Gul'dan. Next part is the fight with Tichondrius. I wasn't sure how to write Gul'dan's whispers since only Illidan could hear them, but I just did it the same way it was handled in "Beyond the Dark Portal".
Illidan and Fandral hate shirts. ![]()
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![]() Hippogryph Rider Join Date: Sep 2011
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Wow, I just finished reading this and I just loved how you put Illidan's demon hunters in there, Altruis all the more so.
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Illidan faces the classic Trafalgar dilemma, and arrives at the pragmatic conclusion.
Um, what's the point of a battlecry if you say it quietly? Wouldn't they just save it for when they jumped out of hiding? Quote:
NOTE: Regardless of what SpellCheck might tell you, certain words (eg: 'treeline') should be one word. It most certainly won't like made-up compound words like 'nightsaber.' Quote:
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You're getting better at this. My suggestions are steadily veering out of grammar and punctuation and into storytelling and wording. I get the impression you have a very good grasp of what makes the characters tick, but still have difficulty expressing their inner workings. Heck, I do too! This is starting to be one of the stories that I look forward to the next update. Keep at it! Until next time: "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori."
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Thanks again, I'm glad my grammar is improving.
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Prince Arthas says: I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland. Prince Arthas says: Now, I call out to the spirits of this place. I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people. Thank you! They'll all have more of a role to play as the story moves forward.
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This is the fourth installment of my 475-part short story, "Better know an Illidan". This brings "Reign of Chaos" to a close as Illidan defeats Tichondrius the Darkener, leader of the Nathrezim. I also introduce a new character for reasons I will mention afterwards. That's Furion, Fandral and Tyrande in front of Illidan in the picture by the way. I would have used Malfurion's cataclysm model but I couldn't get rid of the wings nicely. Maybe there is a way to delete the wings from the skin and then upload it as a new skin in WoW model viewer? I'll figure something out.
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![]() Ranger Join Date: Sep 2010
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I've been a bit slow getting around to this, but there are higher priorities in life.
![]() A female Satyr? I suppose they have to exist... We have another big incident of present-tense here. Watch carefully.
Illidan must have some kind of plan if he thinks his new servators will come back. Again, past tense.
Don't Dreadlords have hooves, not feet? Interesting. I was under the impression that demons tend to flee when their strongest falls. Still, they were surrounded.
Would even the Sentinel fanatics follow him after Furion's pronouncment? It would mean that they accepted exile too.
Good work, overall. You continue to show an instinct for pacing and characterization, but what is it with those present-tense verbs? Are you trying to approximate something that doesn't exist in English?
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I made corrections. I didn't give this part a thorough proofread so I apologize to you. I rushed to complete it because I needed to do some work with the comic so that I wouldn't fall behind. Now that I have a comfortable lead on it, I have about a week to write the next part in this story.
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![]() Hippogryph Rider Join Date: Sep 2011
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Much love to you for your continuing gift of fan-material for us AndyJP. Makes me want to pull out my machinima tools again try to put this to video, but as a text fiction it works well enough.
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![]() Eternal Join Date: Sep 2011
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Great story, AndyJP! I like it very much.
Though I think you could have added more bits with Illidan's thoughts when Furion exiled him. Illidan seemed to accept the exile too easy in game, and given that you use his interactions with Gul'dan as a plot point, you could have played it as Illidan being, at first, unaccepting, but after the Skull "cheers" for him to disobey and strike down his brother, Illidan snaps out and quickly agrees with Furion, not wanting to be used by the corrupted artifact. |
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I corrected several uses of present-tense so I hope I got all of them this time. This part would have been done earlier, but I hit a snag trying to reconcile why my Illidan wouldn't have joined the battle of Mount Hyjal regardless of his banishment, but I think I came up with a nicely fitting explanation there.
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The reason I kept him in Ashenvale is because the meeting with Kil'jaedan appeared to take place in Ashenvale and he is also chased by Maiev in Ashenvale, so why not just stay in Ashenvale? All of the Night Elves went north to Hyjal, so there's not currently a reason for him to be concerned about breaking his banishment. I also want to clarify that not all of the Night Elves or Satyr were judged worthy of demon hunter training, but the ones who did not train are still there with him. Gul'dan upgraded to quotes because he is now in ghost form too instead of just a voice.
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