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Old 10-26-2011, 06:30 PM
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I really don't think too much about Stromgarde. It's been on the cusp of being the next big thing for seven years now.
Stromgarde isn't the only thing that I wanted to discuss, I just added it because that is my favorite faction or group in Warcraft.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:36 PM
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:40 PM
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I say Alterac becomes a Forsaken city and the humans take control of Stromgarde. Hilsbrad Foothills becomes one big PvP Zone with its own BGs and the like.

The Forsaken control the North (Alterac Mountains/Tarren Mill) and the West (Southfront Gate/Sludge Fields) while the Alliance get the East (Thoradin's Wall/Durnholde Keep) and the south (Ships come in to Southshore).
That is my dream.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:05 PM
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My dream scenario, which I acknowledge isn't realistic at all, is that the Alliance completely takes back Arathi Highlands (with Stromgarde rebuilt) and Gilneas. Thoradin's Wall is rebuilt and fortified, and Stromgarde serves as a barrier to the Horde. Not really sure how Gilneas could survive on its own, but I want them to have their home back

The Wildhammers in Hinterlands are forced to abandon Aerie Peak, and they move to the Twilight Highlands, renamed as Wildhammer Highlands. All the Twilight's Hammer cultists there are killed off, and the Dragonmaw are deported somewhere. The Wildhammers start cleaning out and rebuilding Grim Batol, and the Highlands are one big, drunken, Wildhammer paradise.

Chillwind Camp is destroyed and the Forsaken consolidate their hold on the former lands of Lordaeron. The Hinterlands become purely Troll territory. Tirion dies of loneliness when everyone moves away from Hearthglen after the Forsaken make the area gross again by spreading their aerosol blight.

Now for my best case scenario of what might actually happen:

Stromgarde is rebuilt (hopefully with completed architecture), or Gilneas is somewhat secure and the Worgen start moving back, starting with Gilneas City.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:11 PM
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Battle for Southshore, phased of course to not interfere with questing. I wouldn't even care who won Southshore, I just want the poor little town's fate to be acknowledged by the Alliance. Perhaps it could be a diversion of sorts to draw the Forsaken defenses away from the larger battle at Stromgarde.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:20 PM
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Battle for Southshore, phased of course to not interfere with questing. I wouldn't even care who won Southshore, I just want the poor little town's fate to be acknowledged by the Alliance. Perhaps it could be a diversion of sorts to draw the Forsaken defenses away from the larger battle at Stromgarde.
Even if the Alliance loses, it should be on the condition that the Alliance manages to free the prisoners held at the Sludge Fields and Azurelode Mine.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:24 PM
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Even if the Alliance loses, it should be on the condition that the Alliance manages to free the prisoners held at the Sludge Fields and Azurelode Mine.
That I think would actually be pretty cool.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:28 PM
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Even if the Alliance loses, it should be on the condition that the Alliance manages to free the prisoners held at the Sludge Fields and Azurelode Mine.
It could be that the entire point of the battle is to free the prisoners and cause a diversion from Stromgarde, because to be perfectly honest the town of Southshore itself is kind of damaged real estate. This is actually a pretty exciting idea.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:32 PM
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I think if the Alliance needs a win anywhere against the forsaken it's in Southshore. That little port town was just about the only Alliance human settlement to survive the scourge and by virtue of the fact that it was where the Stormwind refugees landed it also kind of represents the point at which the battle against the Horde began. By all rights it should hold some rather significant symbolic value to the Alliance.
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Old 10-26-2011, 08:51 PM
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I would for one LOVE seeing Stromgarde restored to its former glory.
Gilneas back into the hands of the gilneans(worgen)

To make it fair to the Horde, Bilgewater harbor gets a bank and a AH.
Put Gally in Bilgewater and Genn back in Gilneas.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:09 PM
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When PvE battlegrounds were being discussed back then, there was this picture showing a battleground. One side had Forsaken architecture while the other side had "Stromgarde" architecture. Unfortunately, I can't find the link again.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:23 PM
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I can see the Blood elves, maybe with the help of some High elves, fortifying the Mountain pass that leads into Quel'thalas. With the Lich King dead it means that the Forsake could redirect their forces from the Ghostlands as the Blood elves strengthen their homeland. It'd mean that the Forsaken would have a stronger presence elsewhere in Lordaeron as they no longer have to station troops on as many front.

I like some of the ideas being suggested here with the Alliance reclaiming Stromgarde and Arathi Highlands while the Revantusk Forest Trolls control Hinterlands along side the Forsaken and the Blood elves, reclaiming their base in the area perhaps?

Catacylsm does show however that the Forsaken have no plans to capture Dun Garok as the ghosts that inhabit the area won't give it up. The Forsaken can use Durnholde Keep as their main staging ground to attack the Alliance's Thoradin's Wall.

I'd dislike and wouldn't expect the Alliance to claim the Undercity however.

Gilneas should be taken by the ocean thus denying both parties to it.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:29 PM
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When PvE battlegrounds were being discussed back then, there was this picture showing a battleground. One side had Forsaken architecture while the other side had "Stromgarde" architecture. Unfortunately, I can't find the link again.
This one?



Found it in another thread. In the foreground you can see Forsaken towers as well as what looks like a statue of Sylvanas, and in the background is a human fort.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:45 PM
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The revival of Stromgarde has plenty of potential in terms of shaking things up in Arathi and the continent in general.

Ideally, any project to revive Stromgarde should include Danath. Have the Alliance take a firm grip on the span, this could be left to the Dwarves, but the rest of the campaign should probably be a Human effort. Once you can pour troops into the area, you might as well secure the southern end by driving off the Boulderfist and Witherbark the Horde so kindly softened.

Next, you'll likely want to round up the folk in Refuge Point to decide how to best retake the city proper. Maybe the Forsaken under Galen have managed to clear out the Trolls and Syndicate remnants, and are trying to consolidate their power in there.

Anyhow, the player could be tasked with interrupting reinforcements from Hillsbrad, taking out Galen's Fall (sans Galen) and the main gate to Thoradin's Wall, before coming back to Refuge Point, which have now been phased to include a force of infantry and artillery ready for the assault. The player could blast at the Forsaken at the walls before participating in the Danath-led charge.

Clear the courtyard, make your way to the castle (this could be an "escort" quest with Danath commenting along the way, for dramatic effect), where you face off with Galen, wielding the Trol'kalar. After a boss fight, you finally fell him, allowing Danath to claim his birthright and take the namesake weapon for himself (much as I hate the weapon, I can't think of anyone else to have it).

Things aren't over yet though, as you receive word that Refuge Point has fallen (you all saw this coming, don't lie; that place was a deathtrap). Seems those Ogres and Trolls you displaced have thrown their lot in with the Horde in Hammerfall, and they've taken this opportunity to strike, collapsed the tunnels and made it a useless mess (you know, more than before).

So the player sets out to avenge Refuge Point and heads to Hammerfall which, after a prolonged siege, finally falls to the Alliance forces, who claim it as their new point of entry into the Arathi Basin battleground. The Horde is relegated to secondary positions behind the wall, and their new entrance to AB is Hinterlands side, where the Defilers and Revantusk have prepared a tunnel into the zone.

Ideally, I would have had the battle with Galen take place at the end, for a proper climax, but I wanted to add a final phase, so that once Hammerfall is taken, the player can go back to Stromgarde to see repairs already underway.

How's that?
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:08 PM
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This one?

Found it in another thread. In the foreground you can see Forsaken towers as well as what looks like a statue of Sylvanas, and in the background is a human fort.
That isn't Arathi ground texture.

Also remember guys not everything hads to do with Arathi, it was only one possible place to have conflict out of many :|

So does anyone else think that PvE battlegrounds are Blizzards way of playing up the war by making a generic valley in a recognizable zone with a Horde fort and and Alliance fort and having them fight that way they don't have to actually update zones but can still give a feeling of war?
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:09 PM
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Found it in another thread. In the foreground you can see Forsaken towers as well as what looks like a statue of Sylvanas, and in the background is a human fort.
This is the one. After taking a closer look at it however, it seems that the the Human fort doesn't use "Stromgarde" architecture at all. I'm still curious though. What front does this battleground represent? It couldn't be the one in Gilneas. Therefore, the most likely candidates are Western Plaguelands and Arathi Highlands.
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:23 PM
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This is the one. After taking a closer look at it however, it seems that the the Human fort doesn't use "Stromgarde" architecture at all. I'm still curious though. What front does this battleground represent? It couldn't be the one in Gilneas. Therefore, the most likely candidates are Western Plaguelands and Arathi Highlands.
They called it "Grizzly Gulch" at Blizzcon. The Ground/Trees looks the same as whats found in Grizzly Hills.

I imagine they are going to put scenarios all over the world.
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:27 PM
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So does anyone else think that PvE battlegrounds are Blizzards way of playing up the war by making a generic valley in a recognizable zone with a Horde fort and and Alliance fort and having them fight that way they don't have to actually update zones but can still give a feeling of war?
Players get updated on what's happening in the Eastern Kingdoms, Kalimdor, and even Northrend during MoP without the need for revamping everything again.
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:34 PM
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I think the war in Alterac Valley has ended with the Frostwolf clan claiming their territory from the Stormpike. It evens out since the Alliance would be claiming Arathi Basin.
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I think the war in Alterac Valley has ended with the Frostwolf clan claiming their territory from the Stormpike. It evens out since the Alliance would be claiming Arathi Basin.
Alterac Valley is already over; the Stormpike got to look for Artifacts, and the Frostwolf got to keep their territory (they lived in the village and up to the Field of Strife)

That's what we are guessing, at least, since the Stormpike are out of the Valley in force in Hillsbrad and Drek'thar is quite obviously still alive.
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Alterac Valley is already over; the Stormpike got to look for Artifacts, and the Frostwolf got to keep their territory (they lived in the village and up to the Field of Strife)

That's what we are guessing, at least, since the Stormpike are out of the Valley in force in Hillsbrad and Drek'thar is quite obviously still alive.
IIRC Brann pulled some strings?
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IIRC Brann pulled some strings?
Conflict solved involving Archaeology = Brann Saving the Day!

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The revival of Stromgarde has plenty of potential in terms of shaking things up in Arathi and the continent in general.

Ideally, any project to revive Stromgarde should include Danath. Have the Alliance take a firm grip on the span, this could be left to the Dwarves, but the rest of the campaign should probably be a Human effort. Once you can pour troops into the area, you might as well secure the southern end by driving off the Boulderfist and Witherbark the Horde so kindly softened.

Next, you'll likely want to round up the folk in Refuge Point to decide how to best retake the city proper. Maybe the Forsaken under Galen have managed to clear out the Trolls and Syndicate remnants, and are trying to consolidate their power in there.

Anyhow, the player could be tasked with interrupting reinforcements from Hillsbrad, taking out Galen's Fall (sans Galen) and the main gate to Thoradin's Wall, before coming back to Refuge Point, which have now been phased to include a force of infantry and artillery ready for the assault. The player could blast at the Forsaken at the walls before participating in the Danath-led charge.

Clear the courtyard, make your way to the castle (this could be an "escort" quest with Danath commenting along the way, for dramatic effect), where you face off with Galen, wielding the Trol'kalar. After a boss fight, you finally fell him, allowing Danath to claim his birthright and take the namesake weapon for himself (much as I hate the weapon, I can't think of anyone else to have it).

Things aren't over yet though, as you receive word that Refuge Point has fallen (you all saw this coming, don't lie; that place was a deathtrap). Seems those Ogres and Trolls you displaced have thrown their lot in with the Horde in Hammerfall, and they've taken this opportunity to strike, collapsed the tunnels and made it a useless mess (you know, more than before).

So the player sets out to avenge Refuge Point and heads to Hammerfall which, after a prolonged siege, finally falls to the Alliance forces, who claim it as their new point of entry into the Arathi Basin battleground. The Horde is relegated to secondary positions behind the wall, and their new entrance to AB is Hinterlands side, where the Defilers and Revantusk have prepared a tunnel into the zone.

Ideally, I would have had the battle with Galen take place at the end, for a proper climax, but I wanted to add a final phase, so that once Hammerfall is taken, the player can go back to Stromgarde to see repairs already underway.

How's that?
You forgot the part where Danath flies into the sky and punches out the moon. I think that's key.
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1. In regards to Theramore, let me remind you that "is destroyed" doesn't equal "Alliance loses it". Theramore is in a unique position of securing reinforcements for Southern Barrens and thus provides an excellent military target. However, we've seen in the past that cities can be rebuilt and I wouldn't be surprised if Alliance rebuilt Theramore as well. Perhaps this is Blizzard's way to change it up, make it better?

2. in regards to Arathi, it is just a zone that wasn't updated, much like Silithus. However, unlike Silithus, it provides a great opportunity to expand on the Horde-Alliance conflict. Thandol Span provides pretty much the only viable supply route towards Arathi (Stromgarde), Hinterlands (Wildhammers, High Elves) and Plaguelands (provided Chillwind won't be lost, as it is now completely open to Forsaken attack). This means that both Alliance and Horde will seek to control it. If Alliance managed to push for a second front, that would provide some relief to Gilneas in the west and put more pressure on the Forsaken. Of course, the Forsaken aren't likely to allow that, so we should see fierce battles and large troops in Arathi Highlands. Stromgarde would still not be the Alliance land, but at least we would see events unfold that could one day end in rebuilding of the kingdom.

3. One other front where I'd expect Alliance to be gaining momentum is Night Elven lands. After the conflict in Ashenvale and the destruction of the "druid academy" in Stonetalon, chances are Night Elves are PISSED. Once Deathwing will have passed away, I fully expect the Elves and probably Draenei to push into the Horde held areas and push hard with everything they've got. I wouldn't want to stand in the way of that army when it gathers its full strength.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:24 AM
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So what if the forsaken do a ass pull and just march across the land spreading love and flowers
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