How would this vindicate Arthas? Stratholme had nothing to do with the Horde. If you had talked about Strahnbrad I would kind of understand how the destruction of Theramore would vindicate him (for having called the orcs beasts and wanting to destroy them).
Personally, I approve of his decision regarding Stratholme, but the destruction of Theramore does not provide new facts which could force others to rethink their opinion of the culling.

I'll try to explain my thought process on this. So we'll start with Daelin and the Orcs, and include some Mass Effect lingo.

Jaina realises that her inability to not go for the Paragon option has led to some great consequences. Daelin, her father, was lost to her because she stuck to her values and believed that the older generation was wrong. In her mind, the Horde could change and Thrall would be the man to do it. She went with an altruistic option there, rather than going with the more morally ambiguous one.

After all, Daelin wasn't a stark raving mad lunatic. He had a point and he had conviction. The Horde had nearly destroyed humans before, and giving them Kalimdor was a recipe for disaster. If Theramore is destroyed then her decision will look like a poor one, at least with hindsight, and the blood of her people will be on her hands. The blood of her father will be on her hands.

To Arthas:

Jaina previously expressed doubt in WoTLK that she blames herself for Arthas fall. Uther tells her to STFU and get on with the mission. Jaina abandoned Arthas at Stratholme, rather than watching him do what he had to do. This was a crucial point in the story, because after this Arthas had no one to drag him out of the oblivion he was walking head first into. Rather than face making a tough decision, Jaina chose to leave. She didn't try to stop Arthas, but she wasn't there to face the consequences either.

To get to the vindication, though. I think at this point in the story, Jaina will suddenly gain an appreciation for the 'greater good' style decisions that people have made in her past. Arthas decision in Stratholme was, after all, for the greater good in his eyes. Daelin choosing to make war on the Horde was for the same greater good. Varian going after Thrall for supporting the Forsaken in Undercity was for the greater good.

*you can probably add "of the Alliance" after 'for the greater good".

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The thing is:
Allowing Arthas to turn into the Lich King might also have been for the greater good. His decision to cull Stratholme drove her to leave Lordaeron. Without her the Great Alliance would, probably, have failed. She was responsible for saving Grom from his Bloodlust which means that without her the Horde's forces would have been diminished and Manoroth wouldn't have died before the battle of mount Hyjal. Loosing her troops and part of the Horde would have been a great hit for the Great Alliance and might have enabled Archimonde to reach the Nordrassil before the trap was set.

What does this have to do with DK Arthas?

• Him leaving for Northrend allowed her to take the decision to head Medivs warning.
• He sabotaged the Legion in order to free his master from it's control.

Maybe you are right and the destruction of Theramore makes her gain an appreciation for the 'greater good' style decisions, but if anything this should allow her to cope with Arthas' demise since him becoming a Death Knight might have saved Azeroth.

Ahh, but all I said was that it'll vindicate -his- decision to her (perhaps). I don't think she'll look at the wider picture objectively either; I think she'll feel guilt over it all again. It might be that abandoning Arthas saved the world, but that certainly wasn't her intention when she did it.

Basically I think she'll torture herself mentally and question her decisions all over again

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I think I get your point now

Dam right, that was a great turning for the series to have the 'bad guy' at the end not a bad guy per say, but one of the good guys being broken by grief.

I think Jaina will go down this road, she's suffered intense grief though her life, from having to face her father, to what happened to Arthas, the constant stance of trying to prevent all out bloodshed and war, and now with Garrosh destroying her home and killing her people, she finally snaps.

However, much like willow, I hope something brings her back. @Mshadowz your just reaching for a reason now, which is sad. I however still think Varian will be the one to get her to calm, if not Anduin.

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I wonder how much of her fall is "hinted" at End Time...

And if by extension Baine and Tyrande have anything planned for them, too (Sylvanas probably not).

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Not much, I'd imagine. Remember that End Time is a "worst case scenario" where the Old Gods succeed and if they do who knows if history takes the same course and Theramore gets destroyed causing Jaina to snap?

I'm kinda wondering if she's actually "snapping" or "breaking". From my point of view, she seems to be undergoing the same kind of realization that Malygos underwent. She's been blind for a very long time, and it takes this kind of tragedy for her to actually open her eyes and see the current Horde for what it is; a machine set on conquest.

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I have wonder too, if she's gone mad, and we assume meaning she'll be striking out in that way, will her vendetta be against Garrosh and his army only, or if she is insane, will she be striking at the horde without any reasoning or remorse, no matter if they are standing with or against garrosh?

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I still don't like it one bit.

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I hope it's the latter--and that she doesn't die or "see the error of her ways" or get full-on corrupted--because then she can lash out at Thrall as well. I'd love it if Jaina confronted him and shot down his attempts at defending his decision.

At the very least, it'd be an amusing counterpoint to "lol thrall is back horde is redeemed again"

I'm actually envisioning that Jaina will be raging a lot on Varian and the other Alliance leaders in this novel. She will probably be demanding immediate vengeance and action, and having thus resources denied due to the unlikely probability of re-taking Theramore at that point in time.

And when raging at Varian for his refusal to send a fleet or two, he'll probably smack her in the face with all that she has done, how she has not contributed to the war effort, opting instead to aim for peace, and how she sacrificed an entire nations fleet - including her own father - in order to maintain that peace; and all she got for it in the end was suffering.

Jaina could be raid-boss material, or she could be the dark hero of the Alliance. Part of me wonders if Jaina, being the immensely powerful sorceress she is, could become our very first Warlock protagonist.

Seriously, how likely would it be that she turns to the darker arts of magic out of desperation?

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I wonder how this will affect the New Council of Tirisfal / Council of Theramore...

Are they canon anymore? *sarcasm*

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Good for you.

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Is the only reason that you won't like it because Jaina will show regret for allowing the Horde to kill Daelin?

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I said it back then and I'll say it now. Jaina is gonna be angry at Varian when she first sees him...for like a minute but still

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They should make her say something along those lines.

Oh, the delicious irony. With Daelin in command of the Alliance fleet, I can say with 90% certainty the Horde would consist of Durotar and that's all.

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Sounds a lot like something a bigot would say. Not saying you ARE one, but it is a rather strange coincidence...

Technically nobody is really 'right' it's mostly just subjective opinion on top of more subjective opinion.

Personally, it doesn't bug me that much...

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