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Old 05-13-2012, 04:47 PM
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The spell Exorcism hurts everyone, IIRC. Would you ask candidates to be fireballed in the face for a different test?
Oh, that's actually news to me. Switch it to Holy Light, then.
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:51 PM
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Oh, that's actually news to me. Switch it to Holy Light, then.
Ditto. That'll just heal everyone.
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:19 PM
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The spell Exorcism hurts everyone, IIRC. Would you ask candidates to be fireballed in the face for a different test?
Draenei priests perform an exorcism in Hellfire Peninsula, a Human Priest does one in Wintergarde.

The spell also is especially affective vs Undead and Demons.

Wait, I didn't understand the context
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:26 PM
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Ditto. That'll just heal everyone.
Oh. :\

So they changed the Warcraft III version, so that it no longer does damage to the Undead? Well. Maybe "the Light" discovered a newfound respect for them. Kind of bizarre, but the world does continue to spin.
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:50 PM
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Do we know if there's any way to detect the possession? Aren't the Undead detectable to some degree or another?
There probably is a way to detect possession, but the question is whether or not the Horde would actually either have access to the methods, and whether not they would actually use them.

Of course, they could just be randomly tipped off by the elemental spirits or whatever.

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The spell Exorcism hurts everyone, IIRC. Would you ask candidates to be fireballed in the face for a different test?
He's talking about the concept of exorcism -that is, a ritual banishing demons - rather than the spell that shares the same name.

Though I suppose they could just try using Control Undead or Shackle Undead.

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Oh. :\

So they changed the Warcraft III version, so that it no longer does damage to the Undead? Well. Maybe "the Light" discovered a newfound respect for them. Kind of bizarre, but the world does continue to spin.
It's a retcon, not an evolving position of the Light.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:10 PM
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Or it's just game mechanics changing.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:15 PM
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Or it's just game mechanics changing.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:20 PM
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Im just glad that someone is using those WC2 smileys
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:30 PM
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:38 PM
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When I look back in my life, its not that I dont want to see things exactly as they happened, its just that I prefer to remember them, in an artistic way



In resume: IDR which game did I play back then


BTW Does anyone a good WC1/2 remake? gameplay wise atleast
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:42 PM
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Or it's just game mechanics changing.
Which leads to a retcon that reduces the Light's effectiveness against undead.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:06 PM
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Which leads to a retcon that reduces the Light's effectiveness against undead.
No, Exorcism still always crits against undead. CDev answers says Light causes undead physical pain.

You can't deduce lore from game mechanics like that.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:33 PM
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No, Exorcism still always crits against undead. CDev answers says Light causes undead physical pain.

You can't deduce lore from game mechanics like that.
It causes pain, but not damage unless it's wielded in a damaging way.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:42 PM
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It causes pain, but not damage unless it's wielded in a damaging way.
That's no different from fire.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:46 PM
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That's no different from fire.
Technically, it's no different from practically anything except maybe plutonium. I'm not entirely sure what your point is.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:48 PM
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Technically, it's no different from practically anything except maybe plutonium. I'm not entirely sure what your point is.
Cdev has said that Undead using the Light is "self destructive" no matter how it's used. So yes, it causes damage in some way no matter how it's used.

You realize that a wound can't be cauterized UNLESS damage is caused, right?
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It causes pain, but not damage unless it's wielded in a damaging way.
And that contradicts what I said?
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:52 PM
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Cdev has said that Undead using the Light is "self destructive" no matter how it's used. So yes, it causes damage in some way no matter how it's used.

You realize that a wound can't be cauterized UNLESS damage is caused, right?
You're ignoring the word "effectively" again.

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Not really, no.
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:58 PM
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You're ignoring the word "effectively" again.
You're ignoring the word "cauterizes" again.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:06 PM
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You're ignoring the word "cauterizes" again.
Luckily, an ally brought up a different point:

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Q: When undead use or are healed by the Holy Light, does it cause them any actual damage or harm, or does it only cause them pain (in addition to the intended effects of the spell)?

A: Channeling the Light in any way, or receiving healing from the Light, only causes pain. Forsaken priests do not disintegrate or explode from channeling the Light for an extended period of time… though they may wish they would.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:14 PM
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Luckily, an ally brought up a different point:
And Cdev also says that using the Light is self destructive.

Which means that there's destruction involved.

They may not disintegrate or explode but that doesn't mean that there's no damage.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:20 PM
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And Cdev also says that using the Light is self destructive.

Which means that there's destruction involved.

They may not disintegrate or explode but that doesn't mean that there's no damage.
That damage manifesting solely in the form of pain.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:22 PM
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That damage manifesting solely in the form of pain.
Pain isn't damage. Pain is benign. You can induce pain in someone simply by stimulating the right parts of the brain.

Pain is indicative of damage. You can't have it without damage, and besides, the quote goes out of its way to avoid explicitly saying "It doesn't cause the Forsaken any damage."
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And Cdev also says that using the Light is self destructive.

Which means that there's destruction involved.

They may not disintegrate or explode but that doesn't mean that there's no damage.
CDev explicitly said that it isn't destructive. New lore trumps old lore.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2721372142
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CDev explicitly said that it isn't destructive. New lore trumps old lore.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2721372142
No they didn't. They said that Forsaken priests don't disintegrate or explode from channeling the Light. That doesn't mean it's not destructive. The same people who posted that Ask Cdev posted the one I'm citing.

So we know it's self-destructive but we also know that it doesn't cause them to disintegrate or explode. I don't see where the conflict is.
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