his cranium would be his brain then,the cap referring to the skull

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Now. I find myself curious about current ogre lore in the Warcraft universe. Do any of you have recommendations about novels or short stories, which give a first-person perspective from an ogre or go into ogre history?

I have a free account in WoW. So under level 20, are there areas I could seek out to interact with prominent ogre NPCs? Or are there Youtube videos that depict an interesting encounter, other than the Cho'gall or Mogor boss battles?


I just find myself wanting to know more. More about, maybe, why the Ogres are the only race on Draenor that the Orcs didn't succeed in eradicating. Maybe more about why two-headed ogres started to become more common in the time between the opening of the Dark Portal (when two-headed ogres were extremely rare), to the times of the Second and Third Wars when they became relatively common.

I likewise find it intriguing that, while the Orcs of the Old Horde apparently operated under the influence of a fel daemonic blood haze during the first two wars, there is no such corollary for the Ogres (or the Forest Trolls, or the Goblins) during the Second War, which could imply that these groups were more "monstrous" than the Orcs. The wiki tells me that Ogre culture has revolved around "warfare, violence, and acts of strength", and I find that very similar to what I know of Orc culture---both ordinary and fel. As such, I wonder if there was any of that interaction when the Old Horde was founded. There has to be a reason that the Ogres were first allowed to enter the world of Azeroth and then admitted into the Old Horde, instead of being hunted down like the Draenei. Right?

Anyway, I'm rambling again. But I know about how lore treated the Ogres in the old Warcraft manuals, and in Rexxar's Founding of Durotar campaign in Frozen Throne. Where should I go for more?

Much thanks!


EDIT: I mean, speaking of Cho'gall and Mogor... both the Twilight's Hammer and the Laughing Skull were two predominantly Orcish Clans that came to have Ogre Chieftains. That's a little egalitarian, when you compare it to something like a Dwarf ruling one of the Seven Nations or a Human ruling Quel'thalas.

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Rise of the Horde and the non-canon Horde Player's Guide have the most, but no ogre perspectives. Maybe the novelizations of the Second War, but there is not much there.

Loch Modan has some.

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Thank you and thank you. I'll check out Rise of the Horde. I think the wiki tells me the information from the Horde Player's Guide.

For Loch Modan, would I need to be a Horde race?

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Gnomes and dwarves.

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Other speculation: if Ogres were ever admitted as a playable race in WoW, then the word "Ogre-Magi" should be a blanket term for any Ogre magic user. As in:

Ogre Warrior
Ogre Hunter
Ogre-Magi Mage
Ogre-Magi Priest
Ogre-Magi Shaman
Ogre-Magi Warlock
Ogre-Magi Monk
Ogre-Magi Death Knight

(I would exclude them from Rogue, Druid, and Paladin classes.)


A racial ability should give extra combat bonuses to the Ogre magic users, so that a Mage/Priest/Shaman/Warlock could forseeably Tank in the way that a Paladin can.

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Shaman, Monk and Death Knight shouldn't be Ogre-Magi.

I can understand Monk, and maybe even Death Knight.

But why would Shaman be a standard Ogre, instead of an Ogre-Magi? Remember that they'd be casting the only version of Bloodlust we have left!

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Because, as far as I know, Ogres were able to be shamans before Gul'dan's Ogre-Mages were created.

But I think that the Ogres who could use magic before Gul'dan's shenanigans (natural magic users like Cho'gall, for example) were also called Ogre-Magi.

More reasonably, I suppose it would just make sense to call all of them "Ogre" and to understand lorewise that the magic users are all Ogre-Magi.

It would also solve the problem of the Death Knight. Because otherwise, an Ogre Warrior who switched would become an Ogre Death Knight while an Ogre-Magi Warlock who switched would become an Ogre-Magi Death Knight, just for flavor text.

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Ogre Shamans in WoW have been both, one-headed and two-headed. Also, two-headed ogres who go the warrior route exist, too

Basically, by now it should simply be about the aesthetical choise if an ogre would be one or two headed... (or if a cylops or not for that matter... head choises!)

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I was just talking about flavor text naming, really. I wasn't assuming that "Ogre" meant one-headed while "Ogre-Magi" meant two-headed. Why, just yesterday I destroyed Stromgarde in Warcraft II, using two-headed Ogre Warriors.

I agree that "one head vs. two heads" should be a mere aesthetical choice, like tusks or hair in other races.


EDIT: And again, I think it'd be fantastic if all Ogre magic classes had the toughness to Tank, as a racial bonus.

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Ah, okay, then I misunderstood you there.

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Ogre Shamans are called Shamans though

Death Knights, in WOW, don't keep their abilities so the only way your example works is if Ogre-Magi are a sub species of Ogres. (Which they aren't) Otherwise they'd just be Ogre Death Knights, regardless of their previous career.

Well. Again, I suppose it would work to just call all of them "Ogre".

But if they did that, I'd still imagine that an "Ogre Warlock" would be the equivalent of an "Ogre-Mage" during the Second War. Especially considering spells like Eye of Kilrogg and the old Bloodlust (which I'm now convinced is related to the current Demonic Fury spell).

And I'd imagine that a WoW "Ogre Mage" would be very different than an old era "Ogre-Mage", in the same way that a WoW "Death Knight" is very different than a first generation "Death Knight".

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Bumping with this quote from Beyond the Dark Portal, when Ner'zhul's Horde comes across Blackheart:

The same source that implied Dentarg the Ogre-mage had only one head.

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In WoW, with very few exceptions, one-headed ogres are melee fighters, while two-headed ogres are casters.

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Confirmed: one-headed ogres can be ogre-magi.

I take from this that it is likewise possible for two-headed ogres to be standard ogres (even if all of them have the latent potential to learn magic and be more). Otherwise, of course, Cho'gall was throwing bloodlust spells around at his birth.

And this way we don't have to cover our eyes when playing Warcraft II or even Warcraft III.

Goodbye,

Hello again,

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So if we get playable Ogres in the future then we have them as:

-warriors
-hunters
-mages
-warlocks
-shamans
-priests
-death knights

Right?

And then we could customize between one head or two heads no matter the class.

Knowing a little more than I did in May, I have trouble seeing an ogre as a Hunter. Firing a bow-and-arrow, crossbow, or gun while some animal attacks the enemy? I've never heard of an ogre wielding any of those.

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Ogre Priests don't make sense.

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They do. Ever done Gruuls Lair? There is an ogre with priest spells there.


And Grackle, there are some Ogre 'hunters' in the Blade's Edge mountains and in Nagrand. Those Ogres don't have ranged weapons, but they do use javelins and fight you in melee. It's also said that Ogres hunt.


EDIT: Ah, I found the priests: http://www.wowpedia.org/Gronn-Priest and the named one: http://www.wowpedia.org/Blindeye_the_Seer

I forgot those, sorry. But I still don't want Ogre Priests, if Ogres ever become playable.

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And Trolls use throwing axes or throwing spears, but playercharacters don't have those throwing weapons anymore, so a Troll hunter uses a bow-and-arrow, crossbow, or gun. Maybe it'll change back, someday. Otherwise, our ogres will be running around with blunderbusses. Which actually might be kind of funny.

I wonder what an Ogre Hunter's starting pet would be.

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