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Old 06-12-2012, 11:02 AM
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Upon reflecting on Cataclysm, I realized there was quite the future foundation laying for Demon Hunters.

1. Achievement for finding Demon Hunter in Darkshore "Ghosts in the Dark"
2. Long quest chain with Blood Mage which has you bring a Demon Hunter back from the dead, which nobly makes a big sacrifice right afterwards.
3. Felwood, Demon Hunter named Feronas Sindweller is a kill target for a quest, only to find that he has been killing demons, rather than druids. He then proceeds to show you what most NPCs and all of BC seem to ignore, Illidan sought power, but not to conquer or lord over others, but rather to help his people and prove himself to Night Elves, in particular Tyrande. He did these things, however, with a reckless attitude (poor Lord Blackforest).

So all of these were added in Cataclysm, which makes me wonder about the possibility of a Demon Hunter class in the next expansion. HOWEVER, I find that there are a couple of things in the way of that.

1. Demo Warlocks are becoming more and more like WC3 Metamorphosis Demon Hunters (Book in Stormwind explains a warlock learned the secrets to Illidan's transformation)
2. The Warlock challenge set in Mists of Pandaria is extremely Illidan themed, which going along with the Demo Warlock changes, makes me wonder if the lore is trying to peg Illidan and Demon Hunters into the Warlock class. This would be an alternative to having Demon Hunters having their own theme and class(with the obvious exception of not using warglaives).

So what does this evidence point to? Illidan is likely coming back, but will Demon Hunters be a new class? Or will their theme be absorbed into Demo Warlocks? What was the purpose of laying all this foundation in Cataclysm?
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:06 AM
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I'm hoping that more demon hunter lore is folded into warlocks, personally.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:08 AM
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They're definitely making Demo warlocks into Demon Hunters. We just need to give warlocks ability to dual wield and add in to the game off-hand caster swords, and then we're done.
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Demon hunters are perfect as a playable class or hero class, and it's bound to happen some day .

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Old 06-12-2012, 11:13 AM
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Until recently I would have said make the Demon Hunters a separate class, but MoP is pretty much making Warlocks into them. No reason to make a new class when all locks are missing is dual-wielding.
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Demon hunters are perfect as a playable class or hero class, and it's bound to happen some day .

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Hows that delusion working out for ya.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:14 AM
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Hows that delusion working out for ya.
He's got an "Aqir colony" in Pandaria (or a next best thing), so I think he's rather happy for now.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:17 AM
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He's got an "Aqir colony" in Pandaria (or a next best thing), so I think he's rather happy for now.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:24 AM
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:28 AM
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At this point warlocks seem more powerful than demon hunters. DH's are relics of the past with outdated knowledge.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:30 AM
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:34 AM
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At this point warlocks seem more powerful than demon hunters. DH's are relics of the past with outdated knowledge.
I agree, in part. Demon hunters were basically wannabe warlocks with rather specialized knowledge. This class folding strikes me as being a very good thing, to catapult warlocks further into the spotlight by using an archetype that's at least antiheroic instead of totally villainous. I also like how demonology involves taking on demonic traits as well as just commanding demons.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:40 AM
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Let's not forget about the Zandalari demoniacs.

There's room to expand for demon hunters. I'd like for them to become a Warlock specc of sorts, weaving into or even replacing demonology. But I'm hoping it happens in an expansion where many classes receive similar treatment.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:44 AM
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Let's not forget about the Zandalari demoniacs.

There's room to expand for demon hunters. I'd like for them to become a Warlock specc of sorts, weaving into or even replacing demonology. But I'm hoping it happens in an expansion where many classes receive similar treatment.
I can see that. I think the Warlock/Demon Hunter merger would require some serious writing. Also, I'd want the Demo Lock to operate well in melee range, as warglaives are such an iconic part of Demon Hunters.
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I'd rather they simply remove/update fist weapons to include glaive-weapons, change the Warglaives of Azzinoth to be fist weapons, and have all fist-weapons and glaives show when sheathed.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the concept of a melee demon hunter die off entirely, as I want the warlock class to devour the demon hunter ideas fairly completely without being unduly altered itself. Though a melee range-ish demon warlock wouldn't be terrible, I wouldn't want to stop using Intellect, for instance.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:55 AM
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I'd rather they simply remove/update fist weapons to include glaive-weapons, change the Warglaives of Azzinoth to be fist weapons, and have all fist-weapons and glaives show when sheathed.
That would cause so many animation clipping issues (with glaves) it's not even funny.

Truth be told, Warlocks can already equip one handed swords. They really should just add a melee spec for them, make them still be cloth wearers and use agility. Have it so that int and agility work the same for that spec through a tallent and issue solved. Throw in a few more iconic abilities, transfer others to that spec to make way with new ones for the older specs and you have yourself a demon hunter.

Of course... that would require a universal 4th spec for all classes... which in reality would be a pretty big selling point in a future expansion.

The likelyhood of this happening... slim.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:10 PM
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Wouldn't that make two specs with Metamorphosis?
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This kinda irks me. He consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, that's it. What 'secret' is there?
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:23 PM
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This kinda irks me. He consumed the Skull of Gul'dan, that's it. What 'secret' is there?
The secret is about how exactly Illidan and his apprentices manipulated those powers to turn into Atiesh-like shadowy demons.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:27 PM
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Yeah, Demon Hunters could turn into demons before Illidan got the skull. It was a spell in WC3, Illidan casts it on us in Well of Eternity, and the DH in Darkshore uses it too.

Illidan's transformation just became permanent (and not shadowy) after he got the skull is all.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:32 PM
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They could always come up with something revolutionary about the Demon Hunters.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:38 PM
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I want everyone to reread the title of this thread.

Then picture a demon. Carrying around a bow-and-arrow or a rifle. With a pet at his side. (The pet is probably an Orc or an Undead guy.)
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:40 PM
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Yeah, Demon Hunters could turn into demons before Illidan got the skull. It was a spell in WC3, Illidan casts it on us in Well of Eternity, and the DH in Darkshore uses it too.

Illidan's transformation just became permanent (and not shadowy) after he got the skull is all.
I assumed that other WC3 DHs were random and non-canon. Didn't know about the Well of Eternity spell.

Also, the interesting thing is, Illidan first became shadowy, then strangely normal again, then permanent.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:41 PM
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I want everyone to reread the title of this thread.

Then picture a demon. Carrying around a bow-and-arrow or a rifle. With a pet at his side. (The pet is probably an Orc or an Undead guy.)
I'd honestly love if there was a "Player" style adventurer NPC party roaming Azeroth doing quests for ill.

"Help someone keeps killing all my boars!"
"Must be those demon adventurers!"
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