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Old 11-20-2008, 04:30 AM
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Default Old content: What would you update?

Imagine you just could update anything from Old Content. I don't mean you can just go and delete Zul'jin's butchering, but you could add more stuff around him to give lore, for example.

What I would do:

-Darion and second chance for Teron:

You all know there's a quest involving Teron, but when it ends he just runs to BT without further explanations.

I would make some quests involving his character. Darion and DKs from Acherus could be just searching info about the 1st DKs, and would investigate Teron and his goals. Then, the implemented quest, where you discover he's alive and all that stuff.

It would help us understand his choice. Illidan could be in contact with him without knowing his location or waiting players free him, who knows.

It would be perfect to give some action to Outland DKs, and try to fix the "2nd son in Outland" thing. Yeah, he's in Outland, but the sword is cleansed yet. It would just show he was truly at Outland, Fairbanks mustn't know he went to Outland leaving the sword cleansed... bueh, mindfuck. Just give him a ride around Outand.

Give your ideas for more stuff .
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:38 AM
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Flying mounts avaiable in Azeroth.

Yep thats about it, if they can make a good story and reason to introduce more dungeons like Medivh's dungeon in Kalimdor, i'm up for it, but having it there just because it would *be* there would be a waste of time and effort.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:50 AM
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I'm focusing in Old Content, meaning lower levels.

You know, they keep making content for the higher levels, but they totally forget about the lowbies.

Making a new character and doing all the same quests again is boring. Implementation on that would help a lot.

Flying mountains in Azeroth are a need, but I guess they won't be available until late late game.
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:02 AM
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Making a new character and doing all the same quests again is boring. Implementation on that would help a lot.
No, because it would still be the same and Blizzard already solved the lowbie level problem: Reduce the XP required for leveling.

Still not happy? Well if Blizzard keeps their word, you can level thru Battlegrounds and PvP!!! )))
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:06 AM
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Open up the Karazhan Crypt, fill it with Dark Riders and resolve the Scythe of Elune questline to a certain extent. Not resolve it completely. Just progress it.

Leave it open ended, with the Scythe still lost, mystery floating around, but we finally understand what the hell the deal with the Dark Riders and the Scythe's origin were.

My only qualm would be that it would take a dump on the Rage.
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:53 AM
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I'de do something, but most likely it would get butchered by the likes of Jeff Kaplin and Bornakk.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:13 AM
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Definitely agree about Teron. A proper, thought-out story should have been made about why he suddenly decided to join up with Illidan.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:21 AM
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I'de do something, but most likely it would get butchered by the likes of Jeff Kaplin and Bornakk.
Ken, you do realize that Bornakk has nothing to do with development of the story or game, right? He's a community manager.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:35 AM
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Ken, you do realize that Bornakk has nothing to do with development of the story or game, right? He's a community manager.
Thus, he is Kaplin's toady and the object of my ire. His hands are just as dirty.....just as dirty..
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:45 AM
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Thus, he is Kaplin's toady and the object of my ire. His hands are just as dirty.....just as dirty..
Things are getting way better though.

He´s trying to change for us man, think about that.
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Old 11-20-2008, 09:48 AM
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*coughs* Malygos turning into Deathwing 2.0 *coughs*
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:04 AM
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*coughs* Malygos turning into Deathwing 2.0 *coughs*
Not entirely. We're all necessary casualties in Malygos' war; he's just indifferent to the cost in lives.

The whole thing's a bit different with Deathwing because he's made it all as much about personal vengeance on the mortals as about his plans to conquer the world. There's a lot more spite involved with him.

Deathwing actually hates everyone. Malygos just doesn't care.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:22 AM
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Ken...it's Kaplan....
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:27 AM
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also, although I am not condoning Malygo's actions, his reasons for going "crazy" have a little bit more ground than Deathwing's whole genocide deal.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:41 AM
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It'd be nice if they finished Azshara. It's only been four years >.>
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I'de do something, but most likely it would get butchered by the likes of Jeff Kaplin and Bornakk.
I am going to ignore any post you make that mentions Bornakk. Really starting to shove it down our throats.

For an Old Content change, I would put Kul'trias in game where it supposed to be. I think it would make a good 2nd starting zone for Humans. I love the feel of a port city that they gave to Villiance Keep and I would like to see more of that.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:13 AM
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Those remakes, believe or not, have their part of success.

Look at 2.3's Dustwallow Marsh. It was a very good elaboration, IMO. It could have been even better, but it's better than nothing.

Another thing I'd do will be re-balance the ++++ instances. C'mon, no one will enter a 60+++++ instance having those lvl 62 instances. The loot is better in Outland.

Just make those 60++ into 74, for example, but keeping the old status, allowing lvl 60 players in. The result would be the same or, who know, a better one, but in this second case there would be a reward hat is worth the work.

Same for all the end-game content that is no longer end-game. Delete the gaps between the Kil'jaeden loot and the Shovel tusks' loot. Level 71 rewards are better than level 70++++ rewards, and that's unfair.
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:21 PM
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What would like to be remade?
Well:
1: Tanaris, feels kinda incomplete, the wastewander bandits, Uldum, those ogres no explanation given for those.
2: Deadwind pass and duskwood mainly the scythe of elune stuff.
3: I know its imposible but I have to say it, Zul'aman, I really think I don't have to say why I would like to see Zul'aman remade.
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:36 PM
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Same for all the end-game content that is no longer end-game. Delete the gaps between the Kil'jaeden loot and the Shovel tusks' loot. Level 71 rewards are better than level 70++++ rewards, and that's unfair.

Wrong.

Sunwell/T6 lasts untill into Naxxramas.

I was only Kara geared and has still not replaced more then 1-2 items.'


I would like them to fix dead zones.


1. Winterspring - there are too little quests here. Make a new quest hub in the south.

2. Aszhara - lots of potential. Add Nendis and expand Timermaw Hold then you get an awesome zone. Plus that underwater demonic portal from beta should also exist as a micro-dungeon.

3. Felwood. To little quests. Make a Horde quest hub in the north or expand Timbermaw Hold. The Alliance could have a quest hub in the south.

4. Stonetalon. Too little quests, especially for Alliance! Add the Oracle caverns and western Stonetalon and you get a nice quest hub if you dont like Manriks wife.
Add the Pandaren settlement as a quest-hub.

5. Feralas. Horde needs a little bit more quests. Not very important though.

6. Western Plaguelands. To little quests - atleast for Horde. Add a new quest hub - perhaps some renegade Scarlets?

7. Alterac Mountains - Make Strahnbrad a alliance town and the Forsaken capture a small part of Alterac.
Desperatly needs more quests. Add a wast cavern system to make it bigger.

8. Burning Steppes - to little quests. Add a Horde quest hub. Perhaps a small alliance camp too in the west.

9.Blasted Lands. Expand Nethergarde and create a Horde quest hub.
Alternativly the camp outside the Dark Portal could be remaked into a major quest-hub.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:02 PM
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Those remakes, believe or not, have their part of success.
If they are necessary, yes.

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Look at 2.3's Dustwallow Marsh. It was a very good elaboration, IMO. It could have been even better, but it's better than nothing.
Dustwallow Marsh was required due to the lack of quests from 27+ to close to 40.
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Another thing I'd do will be re-balance the ++++ instances. C'mon, no one will enter a 60+++++ instance having those lvl 62 instances. The loot is better in Outland.
- Archievement
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Theres all kinds of stuff that makes the classic instanced still instanced, making them lvl 80 content is just lazy.

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Just make those 60++ into 74, for example, but keeping the old status, allowing lvl 60 players in. The result would be the same or, who know, a better one, but in this second case there would be a reward hat is worth the work.
Wouldn't that just be boring to do the same thing you did at 60 to do again in 74? ;/
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Same for all the end-game content that is no longer end-game. Delete the gaps between the Kil'jaeden loot and the Shovel tusks' loot. Level 71 rewards are better than level 70++++ rewards, and that's unfair.
Do you actually play this game or do you just make loads of bullshit up?
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I would like to see the centaurs return with the Pariah, Amulet of Union, and Zaetar hope for his children. Terramok with more Twilight Hammer activity. Princess Moira Bronzebeard and her son I would like to see what has happen since the events of Blackrock and if the dwarves are preparing a new war is brewing or them finally achieve peace with the clans. Magni is likely reaching his time, Brann reappears with Muradin alive in Storm Pecks with having a reunion taking some of heavy burdens off his back. Then there Thargas Anvilmar in my option to be the second High Thane of the Dwarves since he related to the first thane Magni old, Muradin a ruler of the Frostborn, Brann is a explorer so the throne not his thing, Magni heir being half Bronzebeard and Thaurissan might make him untrustworthy candidate being raised around Dark Irons or be the one to end the war.

As for the Scythe of Elune there is a quest that might be related to it is Local Support and Close the Deal in Grizzly Hills. A box of that holds some relic was been taken by the Horde from a trapper, when completed Ivan says
You did it! You recovered the Sc... you recovered the chest that the Horde stole from us. We thank you, <name>.
With worgen and Arugal activity in the Grizzly Hills it would make sense and bring up questions on the scythe's storyline.
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Old 11-20-2008, 08:12 PM
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As for the Scythe of Elune there is a quest that might be related to it is Local Support and Close the Deal in Grizzly Hills. A box of that holds some relic was been taken by the Horde from a trapper, when completed Ivan says
You did it! You recovered the Sc... you recovered the chest that the Horde stole from us. We thank you, <name>.
With worgen and Arugal activity in the Grizzly Hills it would make sense and bring up questions on the scythe's storyline.
Definitely possible, though Grizzly Hills seems to otherwise hinge entirely on the concept of humans who've been cursed into becoming Worgen, rather than actual otherworldly ones like those in Duskwood.

Of course, the NPC who helps finish off Arugal does say that "We got him good, but not good enough. One thing's for sure...we won't be seeing him around these parts any longer."

Not exactly a certificate of permanent death there, and it's never really, solidly shown durng the questline just why the Scourge revived Arugal, just that they did. Far as I can tell, he isn't really doing anything remarkably special with his Worgen that the Scourge couldn't have managed themselves: corrupting willing mortal converts and having his minions murder the rest. And the whole chain does end a little abruptly after all the build-up.

Who knows? Maybe we'll be seeing a Worgen-themed wing of the Icecrown Citadel and a continuation of Arugal's tale. Maybe we'll even run into some undead Worgen one of these days, as most every other mortal race that the Lich King has gathered under his banner has had many of its slain warriors reanimated to serve the Scourge after death.

In many ways the Scythe's even more interesting that Arugal's portion of the Worgen stories. We know who Arugal was, why he did what he did and the results. The Scythe remains riddled with unanswered questions from the very start, as its origins suggest that either Elune gave one of her priestesses the means of unleashing a terrible evil upon the world (an unlikely thing for Elune to knowingly do), or someone else did and made it appear that Elune was behind it. Yet we lack names of any sort. Everyone involved in the story is either a hapless victim or seems to be a sinister latecomer seeking the Scythe for their own personal gain. To this day it remains unsaid why the thing even came into Azeroth to begin with, and at whose whim it was sent.

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Old 11-21-2008, 05:29 AM
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And that is why the Scythe of Elune remains one of the best and most mysterious questlines in all of the lore to date.

It's not like we even see any of those prominent Dark Riders in Duskwood. I don't know; somehow it makes it feel even more creepy. To think there's some dark army out there sniffing around and you don't know where they are.

But of course now that we know they aren't in Karazhan it just looks like they forgot them instead, which is hardly creepy.
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The only proof of the Dark Knights are the quests.

They left no proof after their visit.

PS: Making Sunwell while you can be in Northrend is stupid, at least with the current status. It's easier to get loot even better than Sunwell's in easy parts of Northrend. TBC was hell lame at that, and it seems Northend, although less, keeps being the same.
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To this day it remains unsaid why the thing even came into Azeroth to begin with, and at whose whim it was sent.
Supposedly the Scythe came to a Night Elf who needed help during the second Legion invasion. She called for assistance from Elune and it fell before her. There's very small quest area between Felwood and Ashenvale where you learn the origin of the Scythe, but there's still no idea whatsoever on who sent it or what their true motives were.
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