...That would be alot of green seamen. D:

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by the looks of it the Forsaken have taken the role of the pirates of the Horde Yarrr

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They already must have reestablished their navy to some degree. A chunk of the orcs' fleet lies ruined by the Kvaldir at Garrosh's Landing in the Borean Tundra after it initially carried the Warsong Offensive up to Northrend.

So despite the lack of frequent visible representation in-game at this point, both the Alliance and Horde seem to have at least a fairly sizable naval presence on Azeroth. Enough to ship their armies around the world en masse, at least.

I want the Trolls to lead the forces in the South Seas
The Darkspear Isles shall rise again! Also I think that the Darkspear Trolls should settle in Tel Abim. In wc4/WoW 2, Tel'abim should be just off the coast of Kalimdor.

But yeah, the Forsaken has the Hordes most powerful navy. The Scourge even offered them reinvited into the Scourge because of their navy.

What navy? Tides of Shit says what the orcs had were a lot of boats not a navy.

And at least the Alliance has ports in WoW. Horde has none but they have naval power capable of beating the Alliance? Ugh.

i know for a fact they had a navy in the second war, probably the goblins built the ships, but what the horde could get instead of a new Navy would be an Orcish Air Fleet. well it would be called the Horde Air Fleet...

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Vegeta what does the scouter say about this threads powerlevel?
ITS OVER 9000!

A navy requires discipline and skill and strategy to be a navy. According to Tides of Shit the Orcs had a bunch of boats that got sunk by a "brilliant" trap.

Who needs a navy when you got big massive war turtles, wyverns, spears, and good old voodoo magic. They need nothing more than the warrior spirit of the Horde.

OH WAIT THEY DO HAVE A NAVY. Forsaken have a fleet of ships.

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Dis my Jam

Just because none appear in WoW does not mean they have none.

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Exactly.

Or where do you think all the Forsaken ships in the Howling Fjord came from? -.-

Also Vengeance Landing in Northrend is perhaps the only Horde base to have a dock. There are even 4 NPCs in it (the ship at the dock) that do nothing and some Dark Rangers and other Forsaken units on it >.>

Ah yes, then I suppose the Alliance has working ports in Westfall despite it having been overrun by the Defias.

Ratchet exists. Of course, believing the goblins built an entire fleet of warships for the orcs(and on probably short notice) falls outside acceptable.

Blizzard's shitty storytelling.

The defias threat has been handled, for the most part.

But is it really your contention that if its not represented in WoW it doesn’t exist in lore?

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The fact that a Horde fleet was never even mentioned or given any basis whatsoever is what's annoying. We're supposed to think "they have fleets and ships but there's no evidence" just because they magically showed up? At least the Alliance has multiple ports and Westfall has a lighthouse. Then the Horde fleet whips the Alliance fleet, ugh.

Yes, I know Cycle of Hatred has loads of Orc transports, but no warships.

Legends also showed a large Horde Fleet in volume 3 I believe, where Trag meets Thrall. Though they do kind of suck, since the Kvaldir essentially raped them on the west landing in Northrend.

It was the Forsaken who beat a Stormwind naval force in one battle then held off their re-enforcements through aerial bombardment. I hardly see how that is so cringe-worthy. It’s not like the Alliance had every ship at their disposal there to battle them.

So Stormwind has the new Harbor, having recently been rebuilt, and an abandoned ghost lighthouse that may or may not have been restored. I fail to see how that makes them an unstoppable naval super-power.

Also, wouldn’t the Forsaken have inherited a good deal of the naval forces Lordaeron possessed before they went undead?

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What's with the extreme Tides of Darkness hate?

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At least there was evidence that the Alliance had naval power. The Horde's comes out of nowhere.

It ruins everything about Tides of Darkness. Rewrites the personality of every character. Completely invalidates the little man so the heroes get all the glory. The Horde isn't nearly as barbaric as it should have been. Makes the epic war that stretched across the breadth of the whole known world into a couple small skirmishes.

dont forget that the Horde got most of the Elven Destroyers from the Blood Elves

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Vegeta what does the scouter say about this threads powerlevel?
ITS OVER 9000!

What? An abandoned Lighthouse? A dock they just made to ease in-game travel?

Stormwind being a Naval powerhouse pretty much comes out of nowhere too, unless you factor in Kul’Tiras – which as far as we know isn’t actively contributing right now.

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^This. The war lasted several years, not a few days. Plus there dwarves and gnomes were punted off to the sidelines, again.

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The One Free Man.

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Fair enough, I suppose.

I thought the characters were pretty great... but then, I never got to play the actual game, so what would I know. But I liked it.

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ALLIANCE.

The Forsaken defeated a fleet from Stormwind in one battle, not the entire alliance on the waters.

I don’t understand why you’re so frustrated by the Horde having some ships if that was the only time they were ever effective. They are not being depicted as kings of the seas. The Horde on the other side of the continent got the holy hell kicked out of them on the water.

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Stupid question: Was the Warsong fleet shipwrecked, or destroyed by the Alliance? I am lackin' tha lore, lad.

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The One Free Man.

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They got ruined by Kvaldir. Basically the entire west side of Northrend got screwed and has no shipping now. They have to rely on the other side for supplies.

Meanwhile, the alliance has regular shipping to both sides.

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