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![]() Join Date: Apr 2007
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Hookay. Wow. It's about midnight in california, probably even later for most people reading this. I just got back to LA and set up my computer and all, I'm trashed.
First things first- Metzen reads our site. Let me reiterate. Metzen, among other Blizzard writers, READS OUR SITE. I was able to chat with him for a bit today and well, I'm not entirely unknown to him. I'm also not entirely unknown to Richard A. Knaak, and I hope he understands I was just... playfully chiding him. Now, I'm sure the next thing you're going to expect me to issue a big apology for the MMO-champion thing. Well, I will apologize, but it's not big. What boubouille said was "99.99% confirmed" was... not the lore. Apparently to him, and that's fine, lore only counts for 0.01% of the expansion, as most of his lore (garrosh becoming warchief, azshara working with deathwing, the goblins being slaves to the black dragons) was bunk. I WILL say that the whole "Cataclysm being a revitization of the old world" was right, and I am actually quite looking forward to it. However, it must be said that there will be NO zones removed. We're still going to have Swamp of Sorrows, et cetera, and Kalimdor will not be split into two islands. Next up... Goblins and Worgen. I got some playtime in for both (and while playing the goblin start zone, I actually won my ass a shiny new graphics card). The most important thing, I think, is the fact that NEITHER race will have a new city. Goblins' start zone is on an island which they're shipwrecked on, whereas Gilneas City is under siege by the Forsaken and "something terrible happened" that caused a good deal of the population to turn into worgen, the city itself will be an urban combat battleground. I was also extremely surprised to find out that Worgen COULD actually change from human to worgen at will... and now that I know that Metzen and blizzard read our site... I'm... not entirely doubting they may have gotten the idea here. The way that works is that Out of Combat, you have the option of changing from human to worgen (at the time I played, you could only customize your worgen form), and any time you enter combat you're forcibly changed into worgen form. However... something tells me this wont make it to launch. I can think of too many bugs and exploits that could arise, not to mention the fact that the alliance having a shapeshifting race and not the horde. Plus, for me, being able to change at will takes the bite and drama out of the class, to me. Worgen classes included Deathknights (and for all going "lollore", please do refer to my previous posts in my class selection thread that explains the lore behind them), mages, warlocks, hunters, rogues, druids, priests and warriors. Gilneas itself has a very victorian england theme, with monocles and tophats abound with a general air of gothic horror. Genn Greymane actually appears when you start as a Worgen and pardons you from the stocks, so... he's still alive. Calia menethil remains to be seen. Worgen racials included a sprint, a passive 1% bonus to all damage, +15 skinning and no need to use a knife, and the ability to shift forms. The goblin starting zone, by contrast, was much more "fun". Your goblin starts near death and is revived via jumper cables, and goes around rescuing his fellow goblins from their escape pods and segues into stopping an animal populace that has become unusually smart thanks to an abundance of kaja'mite on the island. To me, while chock full of fun and humor, the starting experience reminds me too much of the Draenei- you clean up from your shipwreck, help cleanse local wildlife, and you "happen" to run into the horde who take you in under their wing while defending you from the alliance. Also, it should be noted that the goblins are part of the Bilgewater cartel, I am not sure if they exist in lore already or if they are new, but they are kind of an underdog cartel. Deathwing's eruptions in Kezan caused them to flee, where they were shipwrecked for some unclear reason (either a preemptive strike by the alliance or from some underwater beast, it wasn't clear). Goblins' classes make sense for the most part, DKs, hunters, mages, warlocks, rogues, warriors and... shaman? Yeah, that one was out of the blue. And they had a shaman trainer on the boat with them, before they met the horde so....... apparently the goblins are naturally shamanistic. Don't ask me, I can't make heads nor tails of it. I wish I had more time to read quest descriptions, but I only had 20 minutes per session and I wanted to get as far into the zone as possible. Cataclysm itself isn't the maelstrom expansion I expected, the naga wont be playing a huge part in it. Actually, the closest I can say it is would be the elemental plane expansion. Deathwing has been hiding in Deepholm the entire time, and that will be a whole, underground zone unto itself. Skywall, Abyssal maw and Firelands will all be dungeon complexes, each with a 5man leveling dungeon and an endgame dungeon. The other zones besides deepholm (which is the dragonblight of this expansion) are Mt. Hyjal (which is under siege by a regenerated ragnaros trying to burn down the regrowing world tree, and is being defended by a reawakened Malfurion), Twilight Highlands (the area that contains Grim Batol, full of twilight's hammer cultists and twilight dragons which is defended by the red dragonflight), Uldum (an entire ZONE that was previously hidden by a titan hologram projector, kinda like egypt, home to the Tol'Vir which are kinda like "stone cat people", I'm thinking they're the obsidian destroyers) and the Lost city of Vashj'Ir, the home city of Lady Vashj (NOT Zin-Azshari). They're implementing a new kind of underwater zone where you do combat on the sea floor and swimming up is treated like flying. All in all... I'm not entirely sure what to think about this. It's not going to be phased, this cataclysm will happen for EVERY character leveling up. I made some bold statements, some were right, some were wrong. This is the thread to ask me any questions, or sneer and jeer at me, however you think is necessary.
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![]() Druid of the Talon Join Date: Jul 2009
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I saw alot of this on the stream, but damn I wish I had the chance to play some of this new content. It really looks epic, and your post makes me even more excited.
When you talked to metzen, did you happen to talk about the issues with sara in ulduar? I still think she is kinda slapped in. Also any word yet on classic raids and dungeons? Will aq, zg, mc, bwl still be accesible? The stream sadly did not touch on it. |
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![]() Site Staff - Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006
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We really don't have to apologize that much. I mean Warlock was the one who was right. 80% of what Bou said was true, and everyone who believed is ignoring the 20% that wasn't.
Though the rescuing Thrall on the boat thing is kinda freaky. Quote:
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![]() Dryad Join Date: Jul 2009
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Thanks for the post Omacron.
And I want to know more about Goblin Shamanism aswell, but seeing as these are a different Cartel, and seem to be more "wild" than the Steamwheedle it's not that of a farcry. Besides, the Elements talk to all who are willing to listnen. But what exploits could there be with the Worgen transform? I mean, I'd also rather have them being fulltime Worgen, and have the transformation to HUMAN be temporary, something like Meta for Locks. A CD you could burn that would increase some stat for a few seconds, only to turn back into their Worgen forms again, would add a bit to the bitterness of it all. Any chance you could pry some of the Blizz folk on the new Race/Class combos? I'd love to hear Blizz's responses on them, I know most make sense from our points of view, but a Blizz comment would make a whole lot more clear. |
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![]() Join Date: Apr 2007
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They confirmed the new race/class combos during the class panel, in fact, Ghostcrawler put up two charts and basically said "this is your money shot". So, yeah. All those class ideas? True.
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![]() Dryad Join Date: Jul 2009
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But I wanted to know their reasoning I just saw some youtube vids(Channel link: http://www.youtube.com/user/MMOcore#play/uploads ) and they indeed touched upon it, but not really indepth. Like I said, we have theories that make sense, but hearing the true reasons would be cool. Anyway you're probably tired as hell, miscommunication happens then. I'm pretty beat from my Gamescom day aswell.(I got Hideo Kojimas autograph! \o/ ) |
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![]() Join Date: Apr 2007
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Yeah, I'm tired. Just getting back to SoL since I loves you guys and now I know Metzen reads us. Trying to clear up some info.
By the by, I'm probably interviewing Christie tomorrow and may be having an entirely off the record chat with Metzen again. We'll see.
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![]() Arch-Druid Join Date: May 2007
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They print us in toilet paper now? the more you know I guess
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![]() Elune Join Date: Dec 2007
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Come now, lets not RobLore out. Having a race of werewolves have the option to transform themselves isn’t exactly a novel idea.
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![]() Dryad Join Date: Jul 2009
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I think Metzen has a thicker skin than that, hehe.
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![]() Chimaera Join Date: Apr 2009
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Can you confirm that Thrall is still the Horde Warchief in 4.0? Also Cairne is still alive?
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![]() Dryad Join Date: Jul 2009
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It seems Blizz is steering away from the static world, and wants to make the world seem alive again.. Speaking about that, MMOchamp may have spoiled us on something big there. What if the plan was to have Cairne assasinated in secret by Garrosh, and that we as the Players shouldn't know who it did. It would be shocking for us to have him murdered, and people could speculate who it did. Then Garrosh could take that oppurtunity to get more Alliance hatred going by blaming the Alliance in some way, only to find out that Garrosh was behind it all near the end of Cataclysm. |
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![]() Elune Join Date: Oct 2007
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My fucking god can people just shut up about the leak? Honestly what is it with this "ooh theres still chance" bullshit? Anyhow nice to see you having a great time on Blizzconn and so forth.
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"Ahead hides our foe. Worshippers of chaos, who seek to remake our world. A new world is coming, friends. But it is not the world of their design. Together, we will crush the Twilight's Hammer. Raise their stronghold. Raise the earth, and burn the bodies. All will tremble by our might. Then we will stand upon this world as its masters. United at our conviction. Unrivaled in strength. Behold into no one! Today we will make the world, our world! FOR THE HORDE!" |
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![]() Join Date: Apr 2007
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Yeah, but it turns the Gilneans into a "blessed with suck" race, you know? Takes the edge out.
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![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
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Haha, well good to hear back from you at this late hour (I'm finishing up a 38 hour stint of classes/bar hopping so god only knows how traveling to Cali/Blizzcon has screwed with your system) and thanks for the updates.
As to the Cataclysm expansion, well I'm sorely disappointed, but it happens. That the dev team decided to go with the overpopularized Gilnean theme is really my only true gripe, and only because it feels like pandering to fanwank (despite being a viable idea). Really I'd just hoped we'd see more of the fabled Lords of the Emerald Flame (i.e. Burning Legion) activity instead of Azeroth centric stuff (though honestly I can't say it doesn't make any more sense either way.) At the very least I have to apologize to Rob, as his ideas (however insane to us) seem to have struck a strangely favorable cord with some of the designers at Blizzard. The rest of the expansion seems to fit together well enough, with a generic if capable introduction for the two new races. I agree that the Worgen to Human transformation is likely a bit much, but if it evolves into a full blown worgen form over time (as opposed to a constant ability to switch between the two) than I can definitely see it as a natural progression to their lore. For the new tradeskill and (probable) changes to engineering, danke, gracie, and thank you. Despite past moaning on the subject, the fact that they chose Archaeology as a secondary profession instead of a primary one brings back my faith in their profession designs. Of course another primary profession was possible and useful, but they didn't try to push yet another prof that spanned far further than it should (as Inscription did in encroaching on Alchemy's territory.) Really, it's that Archaeology provides us with a more lore centric profession, one that feels like it's showing us new and fascinating parts of the world instead of forcing people to jump to a new and untested/overpowered profession as happened with Jewelcrafting and Inscription. I will say thank god the lore stuff was bunka, as I'd feared for the worst when they initially spoke of all the things Bubouille predicted/spoiled as true. That they allowed the other races a more open set of class options isn't really all that surprising, more than anything because they had to for the faction switch option. I will however continue to be intrigued/perturbed by the Troll Druid and Tauren Paladin/Priest options until I see the lore behind them. One of the Sons of the Storm visiting our site...well we always speculated, but it's interesting to find out. Whether he's a guest, lurker, or regular poster all I can say is that Metzen's interest (or at least temporary eye) here shouldn't phase us of our normal operations. We're here to enjoy our communal love of Warcraft lore (even when we disagree with it) and to speak our opinions without fear of retribution, silencing, or any other form of untoward restriction of freedom of speech. Keep posting your real thoughts and we'll keep this forum a haven for true conversation, reason, and constructive debate so long as this crazy little community holds fast.
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Rationalizing the irrational since 2005. Mere thread derailment is for sissies. When SoL's through with it, the thread's buried in the smoking wreckage of a forty-car pileup atop the ambulance that was hauling its broken body away from the site of the actual derailment. - ARM3481 |
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...Que? I like the sound of Archeology too anyway...!
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Personally? I'd like to think Metzen comes here because we're so unforgiving. He comes here when he needs to be reminded of the storyline, he comes here because we do balls-to-the-wall debating. If we censored ourselves, we'd be like any other fansite forum... boring.
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Wait, did he specifically say this is one of the FEW fansites he visits? Or is it one of the many he does?
(Either way it's cool, just wondering how much precedence we get.)
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What Inscription did correctly was introduce Glyphs, which are in fact a good addition and hadn't been touched on yet. If they'd used some other ideas that have spread around the WoW community however (like woodworking, my own bard profession, & etc.) it would have overlapped with too many other professions for items that could have simply been added to current professions (or updated as in wands and enchanting or crossbows and engineering.)
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Rationalizing the irrational since 2005. Mere thread derailment is for sissies. When SoL's through with it, the thread's buried in the smoking wreckage of a forty-car pileup atop the ambulance that was hauling its broken body away from the site of the actual derailment. - ARM3481 |
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He said he definitely knows us, he knew Omacron by name, and he only listed us and Blizzplanet... probably because we're the only two lore sites out there.
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Though the only thing people ever seem to want to buy from me are vellums... Quote:
For heaven's sake!!! :p
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I mean, do you really want my, Lon's, or Omacron's interpretation of Warcraft to crop up in the 5.0 expansion? I certainly don't (no offense to anyone) simply because Warcraft grew so enjoyable because in Metzen and crew we trust.
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Rationalizing the irrational since 2005. Mere thread derailment is for sissies. When SoL's through with it, the thread's buried in the smoking wreckage of a forty-car pileup atop the ambulance that was hauling its broken body away from the site of the actual derailment. - ARM3481 |
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![]() Eternal Join Date: Oct 2005
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In a Diablo related issue, the Monk and his abilities (Seven Sided strike especially) look fucking awesome, when i remember the bald retarded looking guy who spewed "I KAN´T USHE DIZ" and " I AM TUU EKUMBERED" all the time when i played Diablo: Hellfire, i almost weep.
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...reveal your true form to us... TIMOLAS!!!
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