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Old 09-11-2009, 01:34 PM
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Beware: This pure speculation based on the current questlines, several level flow pictures and acknowledged cataclysm changes:

I structure the continents from north to south and west to east while I take a guess what questing will be about in Cataclysm:

Part 1 Kalimdor:

Teldrassil(green for minor changes): The taint in the new world tree might be more prominent but the night elves could be more interested in just containing the problems since it might be possible to restore the Old Tree now(It doesn't make sense that Malfurion returns to defend the Old World Tree, if it is destroyed for good). Another big objective might be building defenses against the Horde invasion.

Darkshore(red for extreme changes): Despite all the losses of territory to the south, the wreakage by the Cataclysm and the looming Horde threat, there might no longer be a problem with pollution from Felwood (more about that later) since the water on the screenshots is clean. So the questlines might almost exclusively focus on repelling the Horde and secure the torn lands.

Moonglade(green): Moonglade will be spared but extended with Shatterspear Village. The Cenarion might grow apart factionwise and Horde members could primary use Shatterspear now.

Felwood(yellow for moderate changes): I suppose Felwood will be cleaned from demonic corruption but aussaulted by Fire elementals of Ragnaros. I like my new name of Firewood The quests might deal with druids efforts to wipe out the last presence of the Shadow Council and to strike against the elemental invasion. Timbermaw Hold may have joined the Cenarion Circle.

Winterspring(green): There might be some fights with elementals but I believe that Winterspring will remain as it is because of its wild guardians - the moonkins. Perhaps the night elves will enforce their presence here.

Ashenvale(yellow): Heavy deforestation made by the Warsong clan and goblins. The night elves might be engaged in a covert war (Shadowmeld and the like) against the otherwise overwhelming invasion of Warsong troups. Perhaps there will be even low level pvp quests.

Azshara(red): As confirmed taken by the goblins but perhaps threatened by water elementals, some left over nagas and Alliance forces from Forest song. There might be a flight from the rising sea levels.

Stonetalon(yellow): Fights with fire elementals and interfaction wars. With the Alliance settlement at the peak destroyed the night elves might have errected a new settlement on the shore (I suggest you take the flight from Sun Rock Retreat to Zo'ramgar Outpost to get an idea which area I speak of) - this might be a the reason why there are night elven ships near the newly fortified Outpost in Ashenvale.

Northern Barrens(yellow): Crossroads might be a real fortress then and Northwatch Hold reinforced, Ratchet might be destroyed (the connection by boat redirected to Steamwheedle Port), the Harpies could be on the move(since they are nowhere else after the Charred Vale is almost likely a new staging ground for elemental invasions).

Durotar(yellow): The coastline might be swallowed by the sea, Nagas could appear, Sen'jin reconstructed into a Troll camp as big as Zabra'jin in Zangarmarsh and a bit more palms could emerge. Perhaps as a half floating village/port. Orgrimmar will be extended(perhaps it houses the port where Garrosh's invasion fleet started towards Northrend, a new entrance towards Azshara(confirmed) and new goblin quarters.

Desolace(yellow): Each side might now got two strongholds in the now verdant land but aside from the threat of the centaurs there will be a demonic invasion. The Kolkar are wiped out, the Magram have summoned the demons and be slain by them, the Gelkis and Mauradine allied against the factions and the demons. The satyr city is taken by the Alliance (The new settlement on the screenshots in my opinion).

Mulgore(green): Mulgore is closed to all outsiders but perhaps under attack off Theramore troops so the Tauren have given up every thought on peaceful coexistence and march to war to avoid being wiped out.

Southern Barrens(red): Palm forests, vulcanic rifts and the Alliance everywhere on the move. The Horde perhaps tries to raid the Alliance outposts in the region while the Alliance has to fight against the remaining quillboars.

Duswallow Marsh(green): The ogres are back near their old stronghold but almost certainly under heavy siege by the Alliance since Theramore is now on the move. Perhaps the Horde fights to secure Alcaz Island as a new stronghold and to evacuate their Ogres while the Alliance tries to take over the whole region.

Feralas(yellow): Since the salty plaines of Thousand Needles are flooded and the salty water flows now through Feralas, the once lush jungle is now a more barren landscape. Dire Maul might become a complete ogre related instance, Camp Taurajo and Thalanaar are destroyed in the progress of flooding. The new Tauren settlement is set atop the Twin Peaks in the north with an outpost new the ruins of their old settlement. The Ogres are on the move and both side struggle to keep them at the bay.

Thousand Needles(red): Brackish water dominates the region then and salt resistent plants settle the region. The old centaur caves are taken over by the Alliance and the great lift has been overtaken by them. The plains near Tanaris are a giant salt lake by then.

Tanaris: As mentioned before Steamwheedle Port is to be connected to Booty Bay, may got a flightpath and is a real port by then. The sand trolls might be on the move and try to resettle some of their ruins since the Silithid Hives are gone. To the south the Ogres have taken over the pass to Uldum and cooperate perhaps with the Twilight Hammer which transformed the former Hives in to cavern bases for the cult.

Un'Goro: The Twilight Hammer might plot to destroy the crystals and take over the region. Fire elementals appear more often and the Silithid Hive has been extended.

Silithus: The war with the Twilight Hammer and the last surving Hives goes on with new efforts.

Thus far Kalimdor, I try the Eastern Kingdoms next week. I hope I have reasoned enough so that my speculations are at least plausible. Other thoughts are welcome of course.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:45 PM
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Winterspring(green): There might be some fights with elementals but I believe that Winterspring will remain as it is because of its wild guardians - the moonkins. Perhaps the night elves will enforce their presence here.
I actually never understood why there was no real night elf presence their, but anyway. I like some of your ideas, though I would prefer having Felwood stay "fel-y". It's just cooler

Also, I'm guessing in Ashenvale that Forest Song will become the primary alliance base since Astraanar has been bombed to shit.

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Old 09-12-2009, 08:44 AM
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I actually never understood why there was no real night elf presence their, but anyway. I like some of your ideas, though I would prefer having Felwood stay "fel-y". It's just cooler
They did have those enormous and almost entirely empty Barrow Dens.
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:51 AM
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Let's throw in some more ideas, focusing on night elves:

Winterspring: Everlook could have fallen into night elf hands. It could still be part of the Steamwheedle, but under supervision of the Alliance, so Horde wouldn't be welcome. Also, I would expect more settlements around. Night elves should have learned the lesson with Ashenvale, so they should be reinforcing the zone, including Starfall Village.

Moonglade: The northwestern section would be destroyed, opening new paths to the northern coast and Shatterspear Village. I think Shatterspears would join the Cenarion Circle. Nighthaven will become a big neutral hub, with even ship transport. They would build some defenses, too, at those 2 new paths opened by the cataclysm.

Felwood: The main sources of water would have been cleaned, and that should be all. The forest should keep its style. Also, night elves should have a bigger presence here, and reinforce it. I would like to know Cenarion tauren's opinion about the orcs' moves at Ashenvale. They could even make a stand between the 2 forces at the Ashenvale/Felwood border, so the main factions quit fighting or something. Hippies for the lol. Talonbranch Glade would be included in the reinforcement plans.

Ashenvale: Forest Song is a perfect opportunity to see real draenei architecture. The night elves of Astranaar and the Silverwing sentinels could have built a new encampment southwest of the forest. It would be cool to see it built over the branches of some ancient trees .

Azshara: Night elves would have a presence here, too, at the northern part. They could rebuild Nendis and use it as the base of operations in the zone and docking.

Stonetalon Mountains: The night elves would leave the peak, and use the new paths to access the coast, to build a new encampment. The southern part of the mountains would be in their control, too, for their presence at Desolace. From the new port-encampment, they would launch attacks at Ashenvale and Desolace coasts.

Desolace: The northern part would be in night elf hands, while the Horde would control the southern part. Shadowprey Village would be reinforced, but night elf ships would be harassing it.

Feralas: The north and the east would be in tauren hands. The isles and the west would be night elf. From her new reinforced Feathermoon Stronghold, Shandris would pretty much control the Veiled Sea, helped by the Stonetalon/Desolace docks, New Auberdine, Teldrassil and the Myst isles.

Thousand Needles: The night elves wouldn't reach this zone, but I thought interesting to mention a idea: an earthquake would have make the needles collapse, and open a breach into the sea. This way, the eastern half would be sunken, the collapsed needles making a dam protecting the rest of the zone.

At Kalimdor, only Tanaris, Un'goro and Silithus would remain neutral. All the other zones would be at war, including Hyjal, whose Horde troops would have come by zeppelin or from the Cenarion Circle druids.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:09 PM
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Hmm, let me think

Southern Barrens: Bael Modan Has been expanded and has gone on the offensive, burning down Camp Taurajo and taking control of most of the zone. The Quilboar swear service to the Elementals/Deathwing/Therazane/Whatever and are transformed, and they go on the offensive trying to reclaim their lands.
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Old 09-12-2009, 03:26 PM
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Winterspring: Everlook could have fallen into night elf hands. It could still be part of the Steamwheedle, but under supervision of the Alliance, so Horde wouldn't be welcome. Also, I would expect more settlements around. Night elves should have learned the lesson with Ashenvale, so they should be reinforcing the zone, including Starfall Village.
Moreover, Winterspring is the primary (perhaps only) earthbound route to Mt. Hyjal. Considering what will be going on at Hyjal in Cataclysm, it would make a lot of sense for Darnassus to at least bolster their presence at their current holdings in the zone. Right now it's really an effectively neutral zone, with Starfall Village occupied by a whopping five NPC's - only three of which are night elves - and no Sentinel guards at all.

Plus it'd be nice for some use to be made of the barrow dens overlooking Starfall Village. Like the ones in Stonetalon they're essentially unused at this point, but perhaps we'll see something like players being asked to help wake more druids from within the various thus-far ignored barrow dens so they can aid Malfurion against Ragnaros or something.
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I am hoping they do the questing for each zone the same way as they did it in Northrend, which I thought was superb. This means you have 2-4 overarching themes for each zone that you follow through long quest lines, leading to some sort of satisfactory conclusion. E.g. Zul'Drak, where there was the Drakuru line, the Thrym line, and the Argent Dawn line which flowed into the troll aspects line, or Grizzly Hills, which after a bit of horde vs alliance and Vrykul quests leads primarily into the Arugal line, the Furbolg line, and the Loken "giants war" line. So without further ado, here are my suggestions for the overarching quest lines!

Darkshore: Concentrating on the corruption of the wildlife in the area, particularly the owlkin.
Greater Twilights Hammer presence, focussing on old god influence leading up to a real explanation of the Masters Glaive.

Ashenvale: More Twilights Hammer pressence & old god storyline that includes Naga, leading you into Blackfathom Deeps.
A line involving the Worgen presence, the Scythe of Elune, & their relationship to the new Alliance race.
Explanations of the Satyr presence and their links to elves, along with perhaps building up Xavius as more of a known vilian than he is.
Looking into the corruption of the Furbolg.
And the main theme for the zone is the conflict between the Orcs & Nelfs.

Felwood: All faction bases gone, instead all CC bases.
Explores heavily the corruption & cleansing of the forest.
Expansion & conclusion to Satyr lines from Ashenvale.
Also a bigger Timbermaw presence, allowing you to get a lot of rep without resorting to grinding.

Winterspring: More Timbermaw presence, looking into the furbolg here.
Explanation & conclusion to owlkin corruption.
Expansion of highborne presence & lore.

Stonetalon: Venture Co corruption.
Bigger grimtotem presence.
Examining the charred vale with a more satisfactory conclusion.
More Alliance vs Horde tension.

Anyhow, there are some thoughts of mine for the northern zones of Kalmdor. I am also assuming that a lot of the zones will have some sort of "Hey that Deathwing guy he is a douche" questlines in them as well.
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it might be possible to restore the Old Tree now(It doesn't make sense that Malfurion returns to defend the Old World Tree, if it is destroyed for good).


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I hope they don't just re-use the vordrassil model from Grizzly Hills.


I DO hope that the fact the furbolgs were ALSO trying to regrow their world tree factors into the story, since that should've been a much more important part of the lore than it turned out to be.
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Wait, did Furbolgs replant it (Grizzly Hills)

Edit: Too late, argh
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Part 2 of my guessing for Eastern Kingdoms now:

Tirisfal Glades(green): At first I wish for Nothrend style Forsaken towns instead of the ruin villages.
We might see the port from which the Forsaken launched their fleet for Nothrend and Gilneas. It could be half destroyed but being rebuild through the questlines. Best port locations are the coast north of Solliden Farmstead in Tirisfal itself or:

Silverpine Forest(green): The northern half of the Forest could be salvaged by Goblins and Forsaken to enforce the ship building. The sepulcher could be removed since it allways has been a joke of a base and instead a port town might be constructed at the beach of North Tide's run. Ambermill gets reinforced by Alliance soldiers(like the Horde base in Darkshore).

Western Plaquelands(green): I wish for Andorhal to function somewhat like Halaa in Nagrand. Chill Wind point will be abandoned but the Alliance set up a fortified base at Sorrow Hill and the Forsaken constructed something similar at Felstone Field. Undead warbands go rampart throughout the zone and often attack the faction bases.

Alterac Mountains(green): The Syndicate's power has been restored since the Ogres are finally out of their way(slain by Horde forces), so they have reconstructed Strahnbrad while Alterac city is a place where storm elementals are torn loose.

I will finish this later, got to go now.
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Hm, I think that the Kirin Tor presence at Lordaeron could be replaced by Silver Covenant troops. The other high elves would unite under Vereesa's command. Sunreavers could be around, too, giving more conflict between the 2 factions.

Or the mages at the zone could just be neutral. Still, I think they should change the situation there, after Dalaran becoming neutral.
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I was just running around Thousand Needles yesterday, it would be really interesting if it was flooded, perhaps as a way to introduce people to the new water combat system coming with Vashj'ir. They could have the watter get pretty dam high without it even touching Feralas, Tanaris, and especially Southern Barrens. A tiny bit of Feralas(Thalanaar and a lot of the Lower Wilds) could be flooded.
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I hope they don't just re-use the vordrassil model from Grizzly Hills.


I DO hope that the fact the furbolgs were ALSO trying to regrow their world tree factors into the story, since that should've been a much more important part of the lore than it turned out to be.
I guess if you could find out the name of the model for Vordrassil and it is the same name as the model for the one in Grizzly Hills, then they will be the same.
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Vordrassil... is the tree in Grizzly Hills.



I just hope Nordrassil looks different. It deserves to.
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Vordrassil... is the tree in Grizzly Hills.



I just hope Nordrassil looks different. It deserves to.
Woops. I guess if you could find out the name of the model for Nordrassil and it is the same name as the model for the one in Grizzly Hills, then they will be the same.
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Finally it became clear to me why Darkshore looks much cleaner in Cataclysm:

What happens when heat meets snow? It smelts!

So the western side of Hyjal smelts(because of Ragnaros) and washes the demonic dirt in Felwood away, right in to the sea below. That is why Felwood ist shown as yellow on the zone change map and Darkshore is clean. That air elementals are on the loose as seen in the Zone Change Trailer and responsible for the extra destruction is another thing.
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I was just running around Thousand Needles yesterday, it would be really interesting if it was flooded, perhaps as a way to introduce people to the new water combat system coming with Vashj'ir. They could have the watter get pretty dam high without it even touching Feralas, Tanaris, and especially Southern Barrens. A tiny bit of Feralas(Thalanaar and a lot of the Lower Wilds) could be flooded.
Or they could break the floor at any point and have it rise high up, creating a cliff.
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To me i would love it if winterspring was to have more furbolg involvement and the same for night elves.

Although this is great there is no horde involvement there at all but the nutural goblins and nutural furbolg but i see a perfect chance for the taunka to shine for the horde.

And i might just be abit of a taunka fanboy here but since the taunka are favoured by garrosh and since they owe the horde for saving there towns people and there villages.

But im a dreamer lol

Edit: Now that i think of it wouldnt Thunderbluff be under threat now that the alliance have destroyed camp taurajo

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Finally it became clear to me why Darkshore looks much cleaner in Cataclysm:

What happens when heat meets snow? It smelts!

So the western side of Hyjal smelts(because of Ragnaros) and washes the demonic dirt in Felwood away, right in to the sea below. That is why Felwood ist shown as yellow on the zone change map and Darkshore is clean. That air elementals are on the loose as seen in the Zone Change Trailer and responsible for the extra destruction is another thing.
About that... a lot of the dirt and stuff that gets in to snow while it sits on the ground gets left in an area. By your reasoning, the place should be more dirty.
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Dirty but not demonic tainted.
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I don't think hosing something off cures demonic taint.
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