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Old 12-04-2009, 03:34 AM
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Default Wolves and Tzunami: Starting zones in Cataclysm - Nostra's thoughts!

Not that I think my thoughts are of any particular value but I do love to share them, also, I am lazy so I simply copy-pasted this from where I originally posted it. I will look into writing up something similar for the Goblin starter area too, hehe.


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The world shook with thunder as the world was devastated in the fires of Deathwing. Though in Gilneas there wasn't much fire, more water actually. A lot of it too.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10542.jpg

Nostra's first impression!

Before sitting down with the Worgen starter area I wasn't very... ecstatic to having them join the game, but now I'm definitely looking forward to see them and the rest of their story.

The first thing I noticed as I took my inhuman wolfman form was that in Gilneas, everyone wears a hat. Everyone (at least those that count).
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10544.jpg

The second thing that struck me was the distinct contrast from the old starter areas, there you were a nobody tasked to fetch cactus apples for the cook, in Gilneas you're the friend of kings and prince's, rescuer of damsels and a renown warrior (even though the demon at my side would indicate that I played a warlock) that have been afflicted by a terrible curse that changed the good man these people (NPCs/creeps) into a mindless beast bent on killing all things he could put his claws on.

A good thing then that there is a cure, or at least, treatments!

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10543.jpg

Yes, it seems we've been captured together with what I presume is other members of your "pack", although the good doctor's assurances that everything will be all right a soldier marches in and orders the doctor (whatever his name now was) to stand aside, and then goes on about how there's no hope for my Nostrawolf and that the only thing to do is to be done with my poor, misunderstood puppy-toon. But it seems we're in luck, as I mentioned before we're a friend of kings, and so King Genn Greymane steps onto the scene with a rather indescriptive sword in hand and kindly asks the soldier to shut up and get out of his sight. He then tells the doctor to give Nostra a double dosage of the serum/treatment/brew/concoction- which works, I am myself again... or am I?

It seems that the treatment does work, it let's us control the curse to some degree, even letting us retain some part of sentience even when in Super Sayi- wolf-from. But any physical pain or psychological stress would force the transformation upon us. While in wolf-form nothing seems to be different, except you're a werewolf, you have the option to activate a special transformation that gives you a 60-70% speedboost for 10 seconds every other minute, they also have 1% bonus to attacks. But apart from that there are no other (game)"mechanical" differences from other races.

I am quickly put to work, it seems things are a little chaotic in Gilneas, there's constant earthquakes and many are afraid of the wild Worgen that still stalk the lands (we don't meet any though, which saddened me a bit). My first task is to find a casket of Mandrake Extract (or some such) which is used to produce the treatment for the sentient worgen. Finding the place were the casket is supposed to be I find it broken and next to it a corpse, with a long knife which's tip is crowned by a skull sticking out of it's back. As I get up from my little investigation I find myself under attack from a Forsaken Assassin, not much of a challenge for one of my caliber but some fun before we head back to report our findings. It is then that I notices something right over there, by the horizon.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10547.jpg

Forsaken warships at the shores!

Rushing back to deliver the news to the mayor we're ordered to join an old comrade, prince Liam Greymane who is defending the town from the Forsaken invaders with a handful of men. While a larger militia force fights its way down to the shore to take up a defensive position there. One thing he asks us to do is to find a few barrels filled with blackpowder and throw onto the heads of the abominations roaming around the town outskirts, gladly doing this I also have the joy of seeing Liam using his "trusted blunderbuss" to blow the Scourge creatures into tiny bits of green ichor and flesh that flew through the air around me. Seeing how I am the only one able to actually defeat the Forsaken I am sent down to find the militia force to see what I can do to help there.

As I get down to the shore I see lines of catapults firing at the few scattered houses lying amongst the fields.
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10549.jpg
The kid there surprised me, but he's explained later, in game.
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10550.jpg

For the militia we're given several quests, the standard go there do that, but one of them has a nice twist, we're to capture a Forsaken Catapult and use it to launch ourselves up on the warships to kill the captains, pretty fun stuff if you ask me! Even better is when we get to set these wardogs on the Forsaken commander.
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10546.jpg

Gilnean Mastiff, reminded me a lot about Dragon Age there, hehe.

As we report our success to the militia leader a storm descends upon us, the world's foundations are shook and it is clear that this isn't just another earthquake. Heading out a devastated landscape meets our eyes.

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10551.jpg

Being the kind (wolf)man I am I helped in finding survivors, dragging them to land and leaving them in the care of Liam, our angsty prince (he never shuts up about how he's failed his country once, and that he won't fail it again. Sidenote! Liam fights with bottles, for the majority of time I saw him fight he were throwing broken bottles at the enemy),
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10553.jpg
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10552.jpg

After all our valiant work we're sent off again! This time to report the cataclysmic (hurr) incident to the mayor, like she wouldn't have noticed. At any rate, this is where everything ends, since after turning in this quest there is nowhere to go! The road to Greymane manor was unfortunately closed off, so all I got was this:

http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10558.jpg

After playing it through I feel that the Worgen are portrayed pretty well, as I walk past a few guards they comment on my presence and it is obvious people only accept me there because they have no choice. Snide comments and such seem common enough and it is clear that the worgen aren't regarded as equals, even former friends mostly refer to us as beasts, although of course "their beast" and they don't seem to expect much sanity/sense to be left in the wolf-body we inhabit.

The gloomy atmosphere is perfect, top-hats and formal clothing is everywhere and the music is very haunting, reminds me a lot of the opera/theatre in Karazhan, everything is very "transylvanian" in style.

I really like how they've used phasing to reflect the progress of the area as you finish quests, one example is an orchard I walk by, at first dead with bare trees but a few quests later and I see leaves growing on them. A lot more interesting than the quests you did back in vanilla, which never really gave any change to the world even though your quest might have been to save it.

My only complaint is that the worgen look way to cuddly for their own good, they should have given them the fierce look of the Northrend ones, or even the old models. Spiky hair does not fit on a wolf by the way. It does give more of a Super Sayian look when you change form though.


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http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/y...r/SDC10545.jpg
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:39 AM
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...As the world was devastated in the fires of Deathwing. Though in Gilneas there wasn't much fire, more water actually. A lot of it too.

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/SDC10542.jpg
No water in this picture.
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:42 AM
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:57 AM
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The water comes later.
Okie. This picture looked interesting. We will cure you even if we have to put you in the stockades. Or is drawn and quartered?

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Old 12-04-2009, 03:59 AM
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Do you carry this man on your back in this picture?
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:07 AM
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This picture looked interesting. We will cure you even if we have to put you in the stockades. Or is drawn and quartered?
Hehe, you're a ravenous beast that kills anything, they managed to capture you and put you in the stocks to keep you from tearing their guts up.

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Old 12-04-2009, 08:20 AM
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WHoA, thanks a lot for the review, man .

Some highlights:

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/SDC10543.jpg

So you go wild on a dress. Yeah.

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/SDC10555.jpg

What? Roblore was right! Ah, no, wait, he said in the Tomb of Sargeras. Whatever, that makes no sense!

http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/a...9/SDC10556.jpg

Look! A woman! Sure they don't wear hats, see! Oh, wait.

Curse of worgen? Hats are way more invading, men.
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:44 AM
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Maybe Varian will keep the rule that all Gilneans have to wear hats. Is the Gilneas battle supposed to be a regular pvp thing or just a pve event for worgen? Do they get it back in the end or do they only get the kennel quarter in Stormwind? The Goblins get a place in Azshara, but I haven't heard about other Worgen settlements.
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:47 AM
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Goblins get a small section at Orgrimmar, and Worgen get another one at Stormwind.

At least, that's what I understood.
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:57 AM
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Wow, lot's of good stuff man.

Too much to go through right now but it looks cool mang.
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Old 12-04-2009, 09:59 AM
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Is that a Gronn in the one picture? The big red thing?
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:12 AM
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Cool review. Well written and fun to read.

As for the Battle for Gilneas, what I understand is that it's gonna be an official PvP event a.k.a. a Battleground like VA, WSG, etc. not only presented in through PvE content in the few starting levels. The battle will carry on and once you level up a bit you can join a Battleground to either help defend the city (Alliance) or take it over (Horde).
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:32 AM
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I really hope we get to play through Gilneas city outside the battleground, too.

In my opinion, the battlegrounds should have PvE content introducing them. For example, Isle of Conquest could have been in the normal map, and we could have been sent to clean the isle from Scourge or to explore, to later discover the enemy faction at the isle, too, and start the battleground.
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:48 AM
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I really hope we get to play through Gilneas city outside the battleground, too.

In my opinion, the battlegrounds should have PvE content introducing them. For example, Isle of Conquest could have been in the normal map, and we could have been sent to clean the isle from Scourge or to explore, to later discover the enemy faction at the isle, too, and start the battleground.
I absolutely agree, Right now i don't feel any "purpose" to participate in the battlegrounds other than farming honor. They got away with a brief description of every BG why Alliance/Horde forces are there, but I don't feel particularly "involved" when I participate. They should add more PvE content and flesh out the whole situation/lore more.
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Glad to see I didn't miss much of the worgen startzone at Blizzcon- didn't get past the part where you hauled drowning bodies onto the shore since the quest was all buggy. I'm surprised they let people take pictures at Dreamhack.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:54 PM
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Look! A woman! Sure they don't wear hats, see! Oh, wait.
Wait wait wait wait wait.... Am I going to be able to wear a hat without turning into Sinead O'Connor now?
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Old 12-04-2009, 01:03 PM
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Nah, I'm sure it's NPC only xDDD.

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I absolutely agree, Right now i don't feel any "purpose" to participate in the battlegrounds other than farming honor. They got away with a brief description of every BG why Alliance/Horde forces are there, but I don't feel particularly "involved" when I participate. They should add more PvE content and flesh out the whole situation/lore more.
Yeah! Also, they're wasting a precious zone, that could be included in-game uninstanced. I'd have loved to build the IoQ base myself, after cleaning the isle of Scourge. That's what I call involvement, and battlegrounds lack it.

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Glad to see I didn't miss much of the worgen startzone at Blizzcon- didn't get past the part where you hauled drowning bodies onto the shore since the quest was all buggy. I'm surprised they let people take pictures at Dreamhack.
Uhm, yeaaah, they let them take pictures... xDDD
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What's with the Gilnean Gronn?
I recall hearing of something called an "Ettin" in reports from Blizzcon, that is likely it. And I think it is safe to say they are only using the gronn model as a placeholder at this time.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:10 PM
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I don't remember seeing that Gronn when I played. >.>

EDIT:Also, lookie what I just found.

http://www.wow.com/2009/12/04/worgen...rolls-of-lore/

Dear god, I didn't even think this was that big of a thread. Seriously, are we beginning to be actively read now?
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:22 PM
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Its nice to see that wow.com likes us again since a certain member became the reprensentant of the entire community

Gilneas uses War dogs? I dont think DEHTA will be pleased with that

Anyway, I guess the "Ettin" is some kind of Earth giant that is caused by the "cataclysm" in Gilneas? Or just a beast native to the peninsula.

Gilneas looks awesome so far and its completly different from the Lost Isles (which is great too and seems to be very comical).

But yeah, it will be interesting to see when the Night Elves come later. Maybe my speculation that the Worgen are from the Emerald Dream fighting the Nightmare and not the Legion as the Lords of the Emerald Flame will be a little bit right. The Lost Isles, judging by recent screenshots, seems quite complete. Atleast there is one screenshot where all Goblins move out to sail to Azshara or something like that.

And whats up with Greymane Manor? Im sure something epic and perhaps evil will happen there later. A screenshot shows a feral Worgen standing outside its gate. Im sure we will meet wild feral Worgens later, in the black woods of Gilneas.
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Ettin, mythologically, are a type of Scandinavian giant, and in D&D they're a two headed variety.

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As a Swede, I have never heard of an "Ettin"
Only the Jotun/Jötunn (giant in swedish is Jätte) in old Norse mythology. Wikipedia says Ettin is: "Ettin, a late English cognate to the Old Norse Jötunn from the Old English Eoten meaning "giant" or "monster"

So there is nothing called "Ettin" here
I dont think there is a lot of two-headed creatures here
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:49 PM
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Ettin, mythologically, are a type of Scandinavian giant, and in D&D they're a two headed variety.
Well if they plan to copy the looks from D&D, which appears as ape-like, they could be another "destabilized" descendant race of the Earthen/Vrykul.
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Haha, I think the influx of people took the site down for a few mins there
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