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DISCLAIMER: I ran this all by Cantus, and with a few redactions, I've been given the okay to post this. This is purely MY interpretation and theory based on the information we've seen revealed with the latest releases involving the worgen starting quests, and the pre-existing lore. There are a few things that I still need to hammer down, and a couple points in this that I can't expand on due to the NDA, so please don't ask me to. If you spot any major flaws or have a few ideas that could help the flow, please feel free to speak up. Let's try to keep this thread focused on the relationship Gilneans and druidism share, and keep it respectful.




Generations ago, Gilneas was populated by tribes of more uncivilized humans. Over the course of years, civilization developed, and eventually, it gave rise to the nation known a Gilneas. Around the land were strange trees (the ones we've seen in the various screenshots of Gilneas, the Badlands, and other places). It seems these trees created a link to nature that early Gilneans picked up on. These spellcasters used the nature magic in a way similar to the modern mages and their use of arcane magic.

As it turns out, the trees were a type of seal that kept the cursed Druids of the Scythe locked away in the Emerald Dream. The Druids of the Scythe were a sect of night elven druids that worshiped Goldrinn, the wolf spirit. They would assume the form of a large wolf. This form, however powerful, was unstable. The Druids of the Scythe eventually became more feral, and were trapped in the wolf forms. The other druids took it upon themselves to exile their cursed brethren.

Within the Emerald Dream, the cursed druids fell even deeper into their affliction, and soon the worgen were born. For many centuries, they remained exiled and warred with what are presumed to have been the hideous denizens of the Nightmare. There the remained until Velinde received the Scythe of Elune and Archmage Arugal began summoning the worgen to the world of Azeroth once again.

Velinde employed the worgen against the Burning Legion while Arugal's worgen were used against the Scourge. Arugal, whom may have been from Gilneas originally, began experimenting with the worgen ,and eventually was able to cause humans to become afflicted with the ancient druid curse and assume the worgen form. He sent these special worgen to aid Gilneas in their fights to secure their Wall, and the nature mages of Gilneas quickly adapted to using the worgen as their troops.

All went well, until people began disappearing into the woods, never to be seen again. These people were being infected and turning into worgen themselves. Gilneas escaped the Scourge, but fell to another curse. The worgen were taking over.

And then that's where the Cataclysm takes place and you see the beginning quests. At first, you're an uninfected human fighting off the worgen. If you decided to roll a druid, you're basically playing as the Gilnean "nature mage" at first. After the first 6 levels, you're cursed and that's where they use the potion on you that allows you to regain your mind. You help fight off the Forsaken invaders, and eventually come in contact with night elves that have been sent (and presumably led) by Velinde.

You learn of the Druids of the Scythe and are sent to a grove somewhere in Gilneas to perform a ceremony to bring your worgen side back in line. After this, you're no longer a human cursed with the affliction, you're at balance. You're both worgen, and human. You're a Gilnean.
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I doubt it was anything Arugal did to cause the curse to spread to humans as the curse itself was already capable of transforming other beings by the looks of it. Most likely the curse in Gilneas started from the Scythe somehow getting there rather than anything with Arugal also since the Scythe is the conduit for the curse (the Worgen infection didn't spread in Gilneas until the start of WotLk which was long after Arugal died).

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I doubt it was anything Arugal did to cause the curse to spread to humans as the curse itself was already capable of transforming other beings. Most likely the curse in Gilneas started from the Scythe somehow getting there rather than anything with Arugal also since the Scythe is the conduit for the curse.
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Maybe.
There is no maybe when I am fully aware of everything that occurs from the press event (and elsewhere) :p The things I mentioned all come frpm what we were able to see at the event also.

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Old 06-18-2010, 01:08 PM
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Ok nature mages I'm grudgingly cool with. It's more than a little silly way of getting there, but with the story they wanted to tell, I suppose it's a concession that had to be made.

So you're suggesting that the tree in the Blackvald was an original growth and leftover from the Pre-Sundering Kalimdor? That the original Druids of the Scythe are in fact buried in Gilneas? That the Druids under Malfurion travelled East to exile the Scythes, following the Highborne?

My alternative solution is very obscure though, so I can understand them tying Old Kalimdor to Gilneas.

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I find it out odd that Gilneas would have nature mages.
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Ok nature mages I'm grudgingly cool with. It's more than a little silly way of getting there, but with the story they wanted to tell, I suppose it's a concession that had to be made.

So you're suggesting that the tree in the Blackvald was an original growth and leftover from the Pre-Sundering Kalimdor? That the original Druids of the Scythe are in fact buried in Gilneas? That the Druids under Malfurion travelled East to exile the Scythes, following the Highborne?

My alternative solution is very obscure though, so I can understand them tying Old Kalimdor to Gilneas.
Those trees are in a few areas and are what was used to trap the away in the Emerald Dream. It wouldn't surprise me if there were druids before Malfurion that learned from other ways and were possibly forgotten by the time of the Sundering and Malfurion just happened to be the first one to play a prominent role.

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Old 06-18-2010, 01:23 PM
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Those trees are in a few areas and are what was used to trap the away in the Emerald Dream. It wouldn't surprise me if there were druids before Malfurion that learned from other ways and were possibly forgotten by the time of the Sundering.
Well yes, there's the Tauren claim to consider.

I agree that the manifestation of the tree in several areas leads one to consider that the tree follows Worgen, and not that Worgen follow the tree. I'm still grumpy until I see screencaps of <Nature Mage Trainer> quest text.
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Those trees are in a few areas and are what was used to trap the away in the Emerald Dream. It wouldn't surprise me if there were druids before Malfurion that learned from other ways and were possibly forgotten by the time of the Sundering and Malfurion just happened to be the first one to play a prominent role.
So these Druids of the Scythe are not even former Night Elf druids?
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So these Druids of the Scythe are not even former Night Elf druids?
The "Druids of the Scythe" are Night Elves that went nuts around the time of the WotA, necessitating their forced exile and hibernation.

The Scythe of Elune probably has the power to suppress or manifest the Druid of the Scythe form. In the wrong magical hands, the Scythe's spellcasting proc became a transferable debuff... to use game terms.
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The "Druids of the Scythe" are Night Elves that went nuts around the time of the WotA, necessitating their forced exile and hibernation.

The Scythe of Elune probably has the power to suppress or manifest the Druid of the Scythe form. In the wrong magical hands, the Scythe's spellcasting proc became a transferable debuff... to use game terms.
IIRC the first ever Night Elf druid started with Malfurion and that was at the WotA. I don't think I remember him teaching others the ways of Druidism till after the war as he was still a rookie Druid then. Why would they turn their people into Worgen after the war? Not to mention Velinde never even heard of Worgen or the Scythe until she prayed for a weapon and was granted it by Elune. They can't be Night Elf druids. I assume this Druids of the Scythe were probably defenders of Azeroth against the Burning Legion before the WotA? Or maybe they were druids who battled something in the Emerald Dream.
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As I said, this is just my interpretation. I've tried to reconcile the new lore with the old.You won't see anyone tagged <Nature Mage Trainer> anywhere in Gilneas because of game mechanics, but to assume that the "druid trees" would have been instrumental in the early Gilneans' development of druidism isn't much of a stretch. I'll be the first to admit that there are a couple of things in here that I've really stretched to make the two stories mesh (namely, Arugal's worgen fitting in with the curse hitting Gilneas and becoming communicable) and it has some points that are undoubtedly false. But I really feel like this or something similar is an acceptable and even exciting story to the worgen's druidism pre-Cataclysm.
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I think that if all the lands were just one big place then got torn apart during the Sundering in WotA, wouldn't the Night Elves had heard of Vrykuls? But they weren't present in WotA. The Demigods of Elune all resided in Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdom Land before the split in the sundering? The Vrykul was in Northeren. I'm not sure that humans even that far back was able to learn the ways of Druidism from any teacher. And I don't think worgen were even seen in the Eastern Kingdoms until after the third war. But interesting enough they've heard of Eathern so what's up with that?
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I think that if all the lands were just one big place then got torn apart during the Sundering in WotA, wouldn't the Night Elves had heard of Vrykuls? But they weren't present in WotA. The Demigods of Elune all resided in Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdom Land before the split in the sundering? The Vrykul was in Northeren. I'm not sure that humans even that far back was able to learn the ways of Druidism from any teacher. And I don't think worgen were even seen in the Eastern Kingdoms until after the third war. But interesting enough they've heard of Eathern so what's up with that?
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Why would the Druids of the Scythe be in Gilneas of all places? Malfurion was the first elven druid, which means the others invariably came after the Sundering, so any sect of druids would have nothing to do with the EK prior to the Legion's return.
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For druids, I think they were nature mages, akin to that blood elf in the Botanica, but became true druids when they were afflicted with the worgen curse.

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We know that the Scythe was first used in modern times in Felwood by Velinde. She later traveled to Eastern Kingdoms, where she lost it. It was evidently smuggled into Gilneas.
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For druids, I think they were nature mages, akin to that blood elf in the Botanica, but became true druids when they were afflicted with the worgen curse.
That's basically what I said in my post.
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That's basically what I said in my post.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were saying that they were nature mages even after their transformation. My bad
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He was the first prominently known night elf druid but for all we know there was a group elsewhere. Guess it would be nice if we are ever given a timeline about that sect.
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He was the first prominently known night elf druid but for all we know there was a group elsewhere. Guess it would be nice if we are ever given a timeline about that sect.
Yeah, a little more information would be welcome.
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Yeah, a little more information would be welcome.
I could see the Original Worgen's to be very druidic in nature which would be why the Night Elves can teach them so easily either that or a Original Worgen could appear and teach Genn or his son which would be very interesting.

Although at the same time with the Worgen's Lore being very open with many missing strings makes me abit worried Blizz could mess it up.
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I could see the Original Worgen's to be very druidic in nature which would be why the Night Elves can teach them so easily either that or a Original Worgen could appear and teach Genn or his son which would be very interesting.

Although at the same time with the Worgen's Lore being very open with many missing strings makes me abit worried Blizz could mess it up.
I don't think there ever was a 'original worgen' that was always like that with this new story. Basically the Worgen the scythe summoned were just the original druids who were lost to madness and were now just feral animals.
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I could see the Original Worgen's to be very druidic in nature which would be why the Night Elves can teach them so easily either that or a Original Worgen could appear and teach Genn or his son which would be very interesting.

Although at the same time with the Worgen's Lore being very open with many missing strings makes me abit worried Blizz could mess it up.
With what we know, it's gonna be easy to go either way. However, I'm thinking that if they do it right, worgen druids will have the most interesting lore of all the current druid races. Compare to the above:

Night elves: Might have been the first druids Cenarius taught. Maybe. Malfurion is beasty and the night elves are cool, but they're a druidic society because they learned to "just say no" to arcane magic. After destroying the world.

Tauren: Also might have been the first druids. Relearned druidism from the night elves because why the hell not?

Troll: We always bein' here, mon. /facepalm
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I don't think there ever was a 'original worgen' that was always like that with this new story. Basically the Worgen the scythe summoned were just the original druids who were lost to madness and were now just feral animals.
I meant original as in the one that was summoned by the Scythe which was described as a Worgen and with them being hinted to either not being from Azeroth alltogether or being from a previous time (maybe one of the few original druid races) at Blizzcon.
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With what we know, it's gonna be easy to go either way. However, I'm thinking that if they do it right, worgen druids will have the most interesting lore of all the current druid races. Compare to the above:

Night elves: Might have been the first druids Cenarius taught. Maybe. Malfurion is beasty and the night elves are cool, but they're a druidic society because they learned to "just say no" to arcane magic. After destroying the world.

Tauren: Also might have been the first druids. Relearned druidism from the night elves because why the hell not?

Troll: We always bein' here, mon. /facepalm
Yea it's funny how in a single 1-12 zone we get a ton of lore on the history of the worgen and I'd imagine even more will be given in areas like Blasted Lands, Duskwood and wherever else Worgen settlements are.

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I meant original as in the one that was summoned by the Scythe which was described as a Worgen and with them being hinted to either not being from Azeroth alltogether or being from a previous time (maybe one of the few original druid races) at Blizzcon.
They were described as being not of Azeroth by those who didn't know of the past of the Worgen though and those who likely knew little of the Emerald Dream. But given what we know now it's pretty clear that the Worgen that were summoned were just the mad druids who were locked in the Emerald Dream (Lords of the Emerald Flame = Green Dragons etc.). I guess it would be interesting if they ever could 'cure' one of those mad druids but it seems that's hard to do when you are infected after so long. The quest for your character states that it's rare to help someone who has been infected as long as you and that's only after 1 year while the mad druids have been infected possibly for over 10 thousand years.

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