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Old 06-16-2015, 08:08 PM
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The Arryns supposedly have one as well but said branch was disregarded because they married into merchant commoners.
Guess you have Harold as well who probably will be the one who ends up ruling the Eyrie by the end of the books.
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:59 PM
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But, as far as we know, Baratheon's do not have any cadet lines or cousins besides the Bastards of Robert (Edric Storm + Gendry)

And since only a King, "technically" Baratheon of KL line, can legitimize certain people...well if they're not legitimized they're as much Baratheon as Tommen is.

Lannister's branch is from Lannisport, IIRC
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:25 AM
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Another question is, if the Baratheons remain extinct, who takes over the Stormlands?

The Conningtons for Aegon?

The Tarths?
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:34 AM
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Another question is, if the Baratheons remain extinct, who takes over the Stormlands?

The Conningtons for Aegon?

The Tarths?
The Estermonts as they have family ties with the Baratheons.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:35 AM
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I'm guessing that in the books Gendry might end up as the Baratheon "heir" so to speak. As for the question of who is going to legitimize him, I was thinking it could be Aegon? Gendry is supposedly the spitting image of the Baratheons (Robert/Renly at least), so having Aegon make him lord of the Stormlands could be a good way to win the favor of the Stormland lords.
I think Aegon would give the Stormlands to the Conningtons.

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Guess you have Harold as well who probably will be the one who ends up ruling the Eyrie by the end of the books.
Will he take the name "Arryn", or stay a Hardying?
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:38 AM
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The Estermonts as they have family ties with the Baratheons.
Aside from Steffon Baratheon marrying an Estermont, do the Estermonts have any other ties?
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:42 AM
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Aside from Steffon Baratheon marrying an Estermont, do the Estermonts have any other ties?
Nope. But Eldon Estermont was married to a Dornish woman, one of Arianne's conspirators. If Arianne marries Aegon she could bring Dornish influence in the Stormlands by Eldon's wife.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:53 AM
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Nope. But Eldon Estermont was married to a Dornish woman, one of Arianne's conspirators. If Arianne marries Aegon she could bring Dornish influence in the Stormlands by Eldon's wife.
Per her spoiler chapters, isn't Arianne not exactly interested in Aegon or trustful regarding his claims?
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:44 AM
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Per her spoiler chapters, isn't Arianne not exactly interested in Aegon or trustful regarding his claims?
Things could change when she meets him. If she meets him. I don't see why Aegon's advisers wouldn't take advantage of Dorne.
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Old 06-17-2015, 07:01 AM
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Things could change when she meets him. If she meets him. I don't see why Aegon's advisers wouldn't take advantage of Dorne.
Because they're saving him for Daenerys, and expect Dorne to follow the suit through blood ties (and shared itnerest) one way or another?

The only wrench in their plans may come from Arianne herself going all seductive upon Aegon.
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:58 AM
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So.

Joffrey is dead.
Myrcella is dead.
Tommen won't survive Season 6 IMO, but even if he does, he'll be dead by the end of 7/the series.

So THAT Prophecy of Cersei outliving all her children is accurate at least.
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:12 AM
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So.

Joffrey is dead.
Myrcella is dead.
Tommen won't survive Season 6 IMO, but even if he does, he'll be dead by the end of 7/the series.

So THAT Prophecy of Cersei outliving all her children is accurate at least.
Myrcella is dead in the series, not the novels. I hope he keeps her alive, just to fuck with the prophecy. If Cercei believes all her children have died when she perishes then the prophecy were accurate.
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:12 AM
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So.

Joffrey is dead.
Myrcella is dead.
Tommen won't survive Season 6 IMO, but even if he does, he'll be dead by the end of 7/the series.

So THAT Prophecy of Cersei outliving all her children is accurate at least.

Now we only have to wait for the valonqar aka the Hound.
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:18 AM
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Myrcella is dead in the series, not the novels
I know, but if DnD hacks killed her off, chances are it's because the Fat Man has told them she's going to die, same as Shireen situation. I doubt it will be as stupid as in the show (like Shireen....) but it's gonna happen.

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Old 06-17-2015, 09:19 AM
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Chances are she dies from an infection from her face wound. I think Lancel will return to defend his sister, and he'll fight against Gregor. Tommen loves Lancel and gets between them to stop the fighting. Berserk Gregor kills Tommen, Lancel takes the opportunity and knocks his helmet off. Undead Gregor is revealed, and Cersei exposed as a liar.

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Old 06-17-2015, 09:28 AM
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I know, but if DnD hacks killed her off, chances are it's because the Fat Man has told them she's going to die, same as Shireen situation. I doubt it will be as stupid as in the show (like Shireen....) but it's gonna happen.



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Old 06-17-2015, 10:03 AM
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Jesus fuck it's not happening. It's not confirmed in the books you dumbasses.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:52 AM
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:57 AM
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:04 AM
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:07 AM
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That boat sailed a long time ago, sailed around the world, grabbed Daario, sailed around some more then dropped off Daario and then sunk in the Forgotten Sea.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:27 AM
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We can't talk about Cleganebowl in the show thread since it would involve spoilers.
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:33 AM
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:46 AM
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So.

Joffrey is dead.
Myrcella is dead.
Tommen won't survive Season 6 IMO, but even if he does, he'll be dead by the end of 7/the series.

So THAT Prophecy of Cersei outliving all her children is accurate at least.
In the books, Tommen is all too positive of a character. He's like a little Japanese kitten going "nya".

I'm afraid he'll become a sacrificial lamb. To "stannify" previous "mostly good" characters.

Like, say, if Aegon takes over King's Landing and "avenges his mother's and sister's deaths" by executing Tommen. Instant thrust into darkness for taking the life of a poor little boy, who did no wrong to anyone. Or, how about Arya cutting him down and throwing some line about fatass lil' kingling? Instant Edginess x100.

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Chances are she dies from an infection from her face wound. I think Lancel will return to defend his sister, and he'll fight against Gregor. Tommen loves Lancel and gets between them to stop the fighting. Berserk Gregor kills Tommen, Lancel takes the opportunity and knocks his helmet off. Undead Gregor is revealed, and Cersei exposed as a liar.
What if Gregor wins the fight, and Cersei's fall is from completely different reasons?

I mean, that info about Jaime coming into world moments AFTER Cersei can't be a total red herring, can it?
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