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Old 07-05-2015, 06:14 PM
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I always refer to SoL as that place where Gnolls argue about the size of their shadows. Anyone else remember that from Warcraft 3 background lore?
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Old 07-05-2015, 06:16 PM
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I always refer to SoL as that place where Gnolls argue about the size of their shadows. Anyone else remember that from Warcraft 3 background lore?
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Old 07-05-2015, 06:36 PM
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Fine then, it's like calling the Roman Empire "The Mediterranean Empire".


In fairness, most country names start out as descriptions. The netherlands was original "The republic of the seven netherlands" (which consisted of eight Netherlands), which basically described a union of seven of the states within the Netherlands region (which was then used to described lower Lotharingia plus Flanders). As time moved on, the name became more specifically tied to the Netherlands itself.
For the US however, that didn't happen. It's not a question of time either; Germany/Deutschland is younger than the US, and their descriptor already became specific (beyond some minor problems when people get confused with Dutch and Deutsch). It's the fact that the term 'America' is so dang broad.
Again, it comes down to names. Names hold more value than people give them.

Compare these two: German Emperor and Emperor of Germany. Germany traditionally includes Austria. The Emperor of Germany implies rule over Austria as well however German Emperor is just an emperor who happens to be German. You even have the German Democratic Republic (East German) and Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany). The first is in the naming vein of many socialist and communist countries, the people come before the form of government. Polish People's Republic, Romanian People's Republic (which also followed the other naming convention with Socialist Republic of Romania), Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.

Even the example you used was still in line with how the names of countries are picked. The Republic of the Seven United Netherlands still had one important part: the Seven United Netherlands. The area of land being ruled by the republic were the Seven Netherlands.

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At the time when our country was founded, there were no other states in America, only colonies and tribes. The emphasis is The United States of America, all others followed us.
Internally speaking, it was common to call America These United States before the Civil War.

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Old 07-05-2015, 07:23 PM
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Old 07-05-2015, 09:44 PM
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So basically Kellick is absolutely completely and unambiguously 100% wrong about United Statesian.
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Old 07-06-2015, 03:40 AM
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These United States would be hilarious. We would call you Tussies!
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:16 AM
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Anyone else sad that Jon Stewart is retiring just as Donald Trump is making a run for President?
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:28 AM
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Well, it's going to be a lot harder for the new host to do anything with it. The new guy is just as racist according to the big hub-bub there was when he got hired.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:32 AM
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Well, it's going to be a lot harder for the new host to do anything with it. The new guy is just as racist according to the big hub-bub there was when he got hired.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:41 AM
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:13 AM
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So basically Kellick is absolutely completely and unambiguously 100% wrong about United Statesian.
No no no, not United Statesian. Unitedstatesian.

And it's only a matter of time, you'll see. One day, you'll use the term without irony and weep, for you will know that my campaign to do something silly and insignificant has been successful, and it will be too late to stop me.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:07 PM
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:22 PM
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That one applies to the entire continent, and the one below it.



United States of America is a description. It's like calling the Netherlands 'Kingdom of Europe'.
The official name of the US is The United States of America. the US is the only country in the Americas that has America in its name. No other nation does. As such it is acceptable to call the nation and the citizens of the US by the term Americans. Everyone knows who you mean when you mention America or Americans.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:39 PM
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The official name of the US is The United States of America. the US is the only country in the Americas that has America in its name. No other nation does. As such it is acceptable to call the nation and the citizens of the US by the term Americans. Everyone knows who you mean when you mention America or Americans.
And everyone knows to whom I'm referring when I say Unitedstatesians.

It just has the added benefit of getting some people's knickers in a knot.
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Old 07-06-2015, 12:43 PM
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And everyone knows to whom I'm referring when I say Unitedstatesians.

It just has the added benefit of getting some people's knickers in a knot.
I don't really understand why some Americans get offended when people refer to us as Unitedstatesians. It's a perfectly cromulent demonym.

It's like how Americans call Deutschlanders Germans. Or Nihonjin Japanese. Everyone's got odd names for one another.
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Old 07-06-2015, 01:11 PM
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And everyone knows to whom I'm referring when I say Unitedstatesians.

It just has the added benefit of getting some people's knickers in a knot.
Whatever makes you feel better.
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Old 07-06-2015, 01:27 PM
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I dont get why people get pressed at it either, although i used to get pressed at americans calling themselves americans before i knew that they teach the continents thing differently there. It's kinda self centered nonetheless but w.e.

there is a situation where the term "Americano" is used for USA people in spanish, if that makes you happy, "Ciudadano Americano". Although ciudadano estadounidense is used just as much.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:55 PM
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I don't really understand why some Americans get offended when people refer to us as Unitedstatesians. It's a perfectly cromulent demonym.

It's like how Americans call Deutschlanders Germans. Or Nihonjin Japanese. Everyone's got odd names for one another.
Kellick is the only person I have ever heard say it.
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:08 PM
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I don't really understand why some Americans get offended when people refer to us as Unitedstatesians. It's a perfectly cromulent demonym.

It's like how Americans call Deutschlanders Germans. Or Nihonjin Japanese. Everyone's got odd names for one another.
You call sausages Germans?
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:24 PM
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And everyone knows to whom I'm referring when I say Unitedstatesians.

It just has the added benefit of getting some people's knickers in a knot.
'Fraid the trend is against you. We live in the age of Twitter; words aren't getting longer. They're getting shorter. And "Unitedstatesian" is longer and clumsier than American.

Plus it's just linguistically incorrect. If you're really so keen to deny the inevitable tide of verbal truncation, it would be "Unitedstatesman" and "Unitedstateswoman." Or if one's to get needlessly tiresome about it, "Unitedstatesperson." There's such thing as a "State," and the term already has suffixes attached to its meaning that identify people associated with it. There's no such thing as a "Statesian", United or otherwise.

Which rather negates the whole thing, because the nature of the term "State" is that its personifying suffixes have preexisting definitions as well. A statesman/woman or "person of the state" is by definition a government official or politician. So even if one were to go by your "Unitedstatesian" silliness, it still doesn't make sense because the name itself would inherently be declaring that Americans are all electoral nominees and/or government employees rather than actually addressing their nationality.
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:25 PM
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Are you calling her ugly? That's so rude Noitora.
That would imply that he's seen pics.


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Old 07-06-2015, 09:32 PM
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'Fraid the trend is against you. We live in the age of Twitter; words aren't getting longer. They're getting shorter. And "Unitedstatesian" is longer and clumsier than American.

Plus it's just linguistically incorrect. If you're really so keen to deny the inevitable tide of verbal truncation, it would be "Unitedstatesman" and "Unitedstateswoman." Or if one's to get needlessly tiresome about it, "Unitedstatesperson." There's such thing as a "State," and the term already has suffixes attached to its meaning that identify people associated with it. There's no such thing as a "Statesian", United or otherwise.

Which rather negates the whole thing, because the nature of the term "State" is that its personifying suffixes have preexisting definitions as well. A statesman/woman or "person of the state" is by definition a government official or politician. So even if one were to go by your "Unitedstatesian" silliness, it still doesn't make sense because the name itself would inherently be declaring that Americans are all electoral nominees and/or government employees rather than actually addressing their nationality.
Looks like Kellick got Armed.
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:49 PM
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You call sausages Germans?
Hey now, I didn't add an umlaut.

But yeah, I just went and did a Kennedy in Berlin back there, didn't I?
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Old 07-07-2015, 05:47 AM
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Hey now, I didn't add an umlaut.

But yeah, I just went and did a Kennedy in Berlin back there, didn't I?

Just Deutsche. Maybe because the term referred to a group long before the nationality and country existed (similar for the Danes, Irish or Russians). I just know we call the Dutch Holländer (though I think Niederländer would be actually correct? Holland literally means "tree covered land" and refers to only a small part of the Netherlands for all I know) because it would be really confusing, like Jeff already said

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Old 07-07-2015, 06:52 AM
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There are plenty of states that end in the -ian. Just call us by the state were from if that makes you feel better.
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