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The Horde kicks the Alliance out of the city 6 10.53%
The Alliance occupies the city 2 3.51%
The Alliance pats the Horde on the shoulder and leaves peacefully 29 50.88%
The Alliance makes the Horde accept terms of surrender (zones, reparations etc) 10 17.54%
Garrosh is defeated, but nothing else is shown 10 17.54%
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:58 PM
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I guess that it all depends on just how unified, the Alliance is suppose to be next expansion. The Alliance leaders are going to have to be on the same page with Varian so whatever he decides they go with, no surprise there I know, but it would be hard to be unified if you have leaders upset with Varian after Org.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:59 PM
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For some reason, the Alliance leaving Orgrimmar peacefully reminds me of when Thrall left Durnholde.
Only Orgrimmar won't be left a barren ruin that is useless to anyone until someone decides to randomly put elementals in there.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:10 PM
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I guess that it all depends on just how unified, the Alliance is suppose to be next expansion. The Alliance leaders are going to have to be on the same page with Varian so whatever he decides they go with, no surprise there I know, but it would be hard to be unified if you have leaders upset with Varian after Org.
Psh the Alliance leaders won't be mean to their new King! If they are he'll just make them not exist like the draenei and worgen.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:18 PM
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Psh the Alliance leaders won't be mean to their new King! If they are he'll just make them not exist like the draenei and worgen.
Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaah.

I'm honestly not on board the "unified juggernaut" train. I'd rather be a desperate underdog fighting against a powerful enemy than to just superman through everything.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:20 PM
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Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaah.

I'm honestly not on board the "unified juggernaut" train. I'd rather be a desperate underdog fighting against a powerful enemy than to just superman through everything.
We might get a redo of the post-Second War political clashes... though given the writing we've seen lately I'm not wholly sure that would be a good thing.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:22 PM
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Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaah.

I'm honestly not on board the "unified juggernaut" train. I'd rather be a desperate underdog fighting against a powerful enemy than to just superman through everything.
If it means we get huge fortified castles instead of towns with 4 tents and a blacksmith, I'm for being a unified juggernaught.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:33 PM
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We might get a redo of the post-Second War political clashes... though given the writing we've seen lately I'm not wholly sure that would be a good thing.
Yeah, I'd really like them to try to show some deep personal struggles with the Alliance and to see more inner-faction conflict... but with how shallow they've been handling it so far leaves me skeptical that they'll do a good job on it.

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If it means we get huge fortified castles instead of towns with 4 tents and a blacksmith, I'm for being a unified juggernaught.
Eh, I'm kinda sick of the medieval buildings. Give me some badass industrial fortified Dwarven citadels or Victorian-style buildings instead. I like Stormwind, but much like the Chinese aesthetic, the white castle aesthetic has run thin with me.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:03 PM
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Yeah, I'd really like them to try to show some deep personal struggles with the Alliance and to see more inner-faction conflict... but with how shallow they've been handling it so far leaves me skeptical that they'll do a good job on it.



Eh, I'm kinda sick of the medieval buildings. Give me some badass industrial fortified Dwarven citadels or Victorian-style buildings instead. I like Stormwind, but much like the Chinese aesthetic, the white castle aesthetic has run thin with me.
It's pretty odd given the advancement of others in the world. They should update the aesthetic as drastically as the Orcs. I'd like see some Dalaran decadence built upon the foundation. Technology and Magic have both advanced beyond the current architectural foundations. I suppose Stormwind was rebuilt to reflect the history and heritage of what was lost.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:23 PM
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Yeah, I'd really like them to try to show some deep personal struggles with the Alliance and to see more inner-faction conflict... but with how shallow they've been handling it so far leaves me skeptical that they'll do a good job on it.



Eh, I'm kinda sick of the medieval buildings. Give me some badass industrial fortified Dwarven citadels or Victorian-style buildings instead. I like Stormwind, but much like the Chinese aesthetic, the white castle aesthetic has run thin with me.
I think it may be since the newest 'medieval' look we got from humans outside Gilneas was in Northrend with buildings barely used afterwords. It's kinda funny when you compare Orgrimmar and Stormwind though and Orgrimmar just looks so much cleaner than Stormwind even though Stormwind did get its textures updated. I just think they made the Stormwind like textures too bright.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:39 PM
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Yeah, something to show that Stormwind has advanced a bit would be alright with me. Personally, my most favorite things in the Lion's Landing base are the lighthouse and the dock with the iron ships.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:41 PM
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The Alliance ignores Sylvanas and her atrocities, and they leave the city while ignoring all the things that the Forsaken have done.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:59 PM
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does not know how to deal with spies (see the intro for the twilight highlands, where he orders the escort away from his transports, despite it just having been revealed that the horde had a high-ranking traitor who no doubt told the twilight's hammer about the planned invasion)
I am pretty sure they found out about the spy (Sauranok) AFTER getting shot to hell by twilight dragons.

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That would be pretty interesting, eventhough it seems kinda rough!

I can't say if it was a serious comment, but I could see it happening if there was a way to contain the SHITSTORM it would create by Alliance players.

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Old 07-08-2013, 10:41 PM
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For some reason, the Alliance leaving Orgrimmar peacefully reminds me of when Thrall left Durnholde.
Did you mean Theramore? Because I'm pretty sure Thrall has destroyed half the keep before leaving.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:45 PM
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Did you mean Theramore? Because I'm pretty sure Thrall has destroyed half the keep before leaving.
I think it's whatever they might make Varian say to justify himself leaving. I dunno, it could be pretty reminiscent to what Thrall said to the Humans. ("Cya later, don't fuck with us.")
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:52 PM
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I think it's whatever they might make Varian say to justify himself leaving. I dunno, it could be pretty reminiscent to what Thrall said to the Humans. ("Cya later, don't fuck with us.")
But Thrall evacuated all of humans before blasting down the keep. The "don't fuck with us" was said to Blackmoore's second-in-comman, the one who he let to go back to the Alliance.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:57 PM
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That was back when Thrall wanted his people to live on "good land".
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But Thrall evacuated all of humans before blasting down the keep. The "don't fuck with us" was said to Blackmoore's second-in-comman, the one who he let to go back to the Alliance.
Eh, I see how it's more reminiscent of Theramore than Durnholde, but for some reason it just reminded me of Durnholde. Not sure why.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:01 PM
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Eh, I see how it's more reminiscent of Theramore than Durnholde, but for some reason it just reminded me of Durnholde. Not sure why.
Because Durnholde was the one with the "Don't screw with us" threat afterward.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:11 PM
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What i want to happen: The Horde gets the shaft like Germany after WWI, giving a temporary peace but building animosity and resentment inside the Horde, for a much much worse leader and more extremist members to take eventually control of it. An Alliance base around Tiragarde Keep and tough regulations in Durotar/Orgrimmar to help (and also control) the Horde to reconstruct.

What its gonna happen: The Alliance gets the shaft like always. They will leave Durotar just with no decent explanation at all (dont say Blizzard is above that, remember Thrall and Gallywix in the Lost Isles), and not much will really change, neither the event will have further consecuences.

Just what everyone was fearing since the day Metzen announced MoP was gonna be about the Faction war.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:17 AM
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However it ends, I suspect Wrathion won't be very happy about it.

After all, just look at his schemes. He hasn't been arming the players to foster friendship and cooperation between the Alliance and Horde. He hasn't had us kill the other side's officers to strengthen parity and diplomacy with them. He wasn't scouting Varian's leadership skills to see how he handled working in tandem with others of equal power and authority.

He's been preparing us to unify Azeroth under a single banner. He's been steering us toward putting the combined strength of Azeroth's mightiest powers squarely under the iron boot of a single, dominant faction that has the power to defend the world from the coming darkness, and only cares which factions wins insofar as it's proven the strongest of the two.

And when it comes down to it, the continued existence of both factions in any state of parallel sustained autonomy and independence - something basically guaranteed by the fact that they won't be dissolving either faction - doesn't really fit in with that plan, now does it?

Wrathions doesn't want two factions. He wants one, indomitable faction that's completely unified and driven by a single vision when the demons come. I have a feeling that if the Alliance does anything less than raze Orgrimmar to the ground and enslave the Horde, whatever the playerbase's reactions, from a story standpoint Wrathion's going to be very displeased with the outcome.
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Old 07-09-2013, 12:26 AM
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Maybe that's where "Damn that king!" comes from?
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:27 AM
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Eh, I see how it's more reminiscent of Theramore than Durnholde, but for some reason it just reminded me of Durnholde. Not sure why.
We're talking about Theramore in TFT right? Because if we mean the pre-MoP event I have no idea where the parallels are.
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:36 AM
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We're talking about Theramore in TFT right? Because if we mean the pre-MoP event I have no idea where the parallels are.
Yes, I think it's the TFT event rather than the pre-MoP one.
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:42 AM
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My option is not on the poll, but I'll detail it as follows:

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With significant objections from multiple alliance leaders, the Alliance withdraws.
So... "The Horde kicks the Alliance out of the city"?

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Maybe that's where "Damn that king!" comes from?
Yes, Kir, you must be correct.

Blizzard were geniuses all along, while we ranted in our deliberate shortsightedness.

What did Wrathion talk with the Horde about? "Eh, what really is the Horde? Do you really need a Warchief? Or maybe just the Alliance? Do you really want to have a Horde? What are you guys really are?"

And what did Wrathion talk with the Alliance about? "Hey, guys! Did you know that King Varian is AWESOME? He is so awesome, he's the best. He leads his pack into battle like an alpha wolf. He is the best leader ever!"

We, in our foolishness and bitterness, have assumed that it was simply a sloppy way to promote Varian as the only Ally character that matters.

But it was not.

Wrathion wrote off the Warchief of the Horde from his battle plans pretty quickly. But the High King of Azeroth fascinated him, intrigued him, and generally shown himself to be more competent than his wacky co-leaders. He overcame his hatred and became cool and collected, erasing vengeance and racism from his judgement. He is Varian... "but he is also Lo'Gosh".

Varian would be Wrathion's champion for the role of both the High King and the Warchief, uniting all the factions in the name of Wrynn Boys. With Garrosh defeated and Alliance army inside the city, the Son of Deathwing expected Varian to use this moment and declare himself the Warchief of the Horde.

...Apparently, it doesn't go as Wrathion envisioned it.
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:48 AM
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Lol a rehash of what Sylvanas threatened to do to Lorna? Holding a faction leader hostage? Sorry but that would stink big time.

Also, I think Kir the Wizard is on to something...
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