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Old 02-18-2012, 07:30 PM
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Fine.Answer this question.
Let's say i go to Heaven but my parents go to Hell.How am i supposed to enjoy paradise when i know my parents are tortured and suffer in horrible agony for eternity ?
Hell doesn't exist.


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Old 02-18-2012, 07:33 PM
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Fine.Answer this question.
Let's say i go to Heaven but my parents go to Hell.How am i supposed to enjoy paradise when i know my parents are tortured and suffer in horrible agony for eternity ?
I don't know. From my knowledge the Bible never tells us in depth what Heaven is like.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:34 PM
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Fine.Answer this question.
Let's say i go to Heaven but my parents go to Hell.How am i supposed to enjoy paradise when i know my parents are tortured and suffer in horrible agony for eternity ?
They were filth. Unworthy of love. If you go to Hell, you pretty much deserve it. Like rapists, murderers, child molesters. To go to Hell, you must do something bad.

Even those who do not beleive in thy lord, go to heaven or at least to purgatory (I don't give two shits what the Catholic Church says on purgatory not existing, utter nonsense).
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That isn't it at all.

He doesn't send you to Hell, you are choosing to go there.
See even that is language I think you should be avoiding. Even treating it seriously gives it undeserved credence. Hell is a scary concept for people, especially for young and impressionable children. The idea puts a deep fear into many people. So it cannot be a relevent issue anymore to discuss or even care about. Because if such a horrible place actually existed then I don't think a being that powerful would let anyone go there.

The whole hell thing needs to be dropped from these discussions. Make it a historical concept because it shouldn't be a religious one.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:39 PM
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See even that is language I think you should be avoiding. Even treating it seriously gives it undeserved credence. Hell is a scary concept for people, especially for young and impressionable children. The idea puts a deep fear into many people. So it cannot be a relevent issue anymore to discuss or even care about. Because if such a horrible place actually existed then I don't think a being that powerful would let anyone go there.

The whole hell thing needs to be dropped from these discussions. Make it a historical concept because it shouldn't be a religious one.
Really the only way to go to Hell is to break one of the three Forbidden Laws before you die. So yeah, you do choose to go to Hell.
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See even that is language I think you should be avoiding. Even treating it seriously gives it undeserved credence. Hell is a scary concept for people, especially for young and impressionable children. The idea puts a deep fear into many people. So it cannot be a relevent issue anymore to discuss or even care about. Because if such a horrible place actually existed then I don't think a being that powerful would let anyone go there.

The whole hell thing needs to be dropped from these discussions. Make it a historical concept because it shouldn't be a religious one.
*wakes up in Hell and hears a deep voice*
''We have an eternity to know your flesh.''
Now that is terrifying imo.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:43 PM
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I'm catholic, but I dont believe that human go to hell. The damage we can cause is minuscule. Humans going to a LOOOOOOOOOONG ASS Purgatory though I can believe though
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That isn't it at all.

He doesn't send you to Hell, you are choosing to go there.

'Hey dude, where's the place where I suffer for all eternity because of deeds that I did during less than a hundred years? Heaven is just boring!'
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Really the only way to go to Hell is to break one of the three Forbidden Laws before you die. So yeah, you do choose to go to Hell.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:46 PM
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See even that is language I think you should be avoiding. Even treating it seriously gives it undeserved credence. Hell is a scary concept for people, especially for young and impressionable children. The idea puts a deep fear into many people. So it cannot be a relevent issue anymore to discuss or even care about. Because if such a horrible place actually existed then I don't think a being that powerful would let anyone go there.

The whole hell thing needs to be dropped from these discussions. Make it a historical concept because it shouldn't be a religious one.
Hell is simply separation from God. God is all that is good, Hell is absent of good.

Why should He force everyone to go to Heaven if they are choosing to be separate from him.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:47 PM
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There is damnation. But human fools made up the whole eternal part.
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Really the only way to go to Hell is to break one of the three Forbidden Laws before you die. So yeah, you do choose to go to Hell.
No. Even if someone "chose" to go to a place for eternal unhappiness (and who would actually make that choice while fully understanding the full repercussions of that?) , I think that a being with an ability to intervene in that situationwould. Maybe he does something else with the beings who've made some bad choices in their lives, but I don't think he would be so cruel to send them to such a horrible place (assuming that it even exists).
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Hell is simple separation from God. God is all that is good, Hell is absent of good.

Why should He force everyone to go to Heaven if they are choosing to be separate from him.
Huh. Never thought of it that way.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:49 PM
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Hell is simply separation from God. God is all that is good, Hell is absent of good.

Why should He force everyone to go to Heaven if they are choosing to be separate from him.
I like this. It makes sense.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:52 PM
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Hell is simply separation from God. God is all that is good, Hell is absent of good.

Why should He force everyone to go to Heaven if they are choosing to be separate from him.
I don't think you're getting it. Eternal punishment would be cruel. Now if such a place existed and God is not cruel, then why he allow anyone to go to such a really bad place forever and ever? That would be a very ungodly thing to do, so it must not be the case.

Which I do apologize to my secular friends out here who might find this conversation coming off as a little presumptuous, because it really is.

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Hell is simply separation from God. God is all that is good, Hell is absent of good.

Why should He force everyone to go to Heaven if they are choosing to be separate from him.
Why should 'He'(he's male?) condemn someone for eternity for deeds that happen in a very limited amount of time and can't possibly deserve pain that never ends, or because someone chooses to reject a faith that they don't want to blindly follow without proof?. It's not even like they'll come out better people out of it, it just seems sadistic.

Also what exactly do you mean by 'all that is good'? That's a bit vague.
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Eternity is a mortal placeholder word for 'very long time.' In truth, it is not even necessarily that. Eternity is as long as it needs to be.
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Why should 'He'(he's male?) condemn someone for eternity for deeds that happen in a very limited amount of time and can't possibly deserve pain that never ends, or because someone chooses to reject a faith that they don't want to blindly follow without proof?. It's not even like they'll come out better people out of it, it just seems sadistic.

Also what exactly do you mean by 'all that is good'? That's a bit vague.
Reminded me of this.Great speech.
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Eternity is a mortal placeholder word for 'very long time.' In truth, it is not even necessarily that. Eternity is as long as it needs to be.
You know that from your connections with your fellow deities?
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Eternity is a mortal placeholder word for 'very long time.' In truth, it is not even necessarily that. Eternity is as long as it needs to be.
NAW MAN. That goes against the very meaning of the concept!
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You know that from your connections with your fellow deities?
Of course.


Wait, no, I mean I figured it out through long and difficult meditations. Because I'm just a fragile little mortal. Yes. Not a god. Just another friendly mortal, yep! That's me.
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Why should 'He'(he's male?) condemn someone for eternity for deeds that happen in a very limited amount of time and can't possibly deserve pain that never ends, or because someone chooses to reject a faith that they don't want to blindly follow without proof?. It's not even like they'll come out better people out of it, it just seems sadistic.

Also what exactly do you mean by 'all that is good'? That's a bit vague.
God isn't really anything. We just refer to him as male and the catholic church as female. why? I don't know. I read about the reason why we call God He somewhere but I'm too lazy to google it.
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God isn't really anything. We just refer to him as male and the catholic church as female. why? I don't know. I read about the reason why we call God He somewhere but I'm too lazy to google it.
Abrahamic religions refer to God as He because they are founded on a violently patriarchal, misogynistic proto-cult that worshiped a masculine god.

Unfortunate, but there you are.
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