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Old 07-30-2013, 08:34 PM
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Fuck orcish redemption I'm tired of this shit.

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No because if you don't show up in the game first Blizz doesn't know you exist.
Rhonin, Krassus, Malygos, Ysera, Nozdormu, and Sinestra all were in novels long before they appeared in any Warcraft game.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:36 PM
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Do you guys think Koak will show up again? In the Siege? Will the Dragonmaw survive and be redeemed?
Koak for Orcish ruler!
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:36 PM
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Koak for Orcish ruler!
Can't be worse than Garrosh, or Thrall.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:37 PM
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Would you rather have orcish redemption or purging?
Why not both? The Orcs realise they are a threat to this world and start purging themselves.

Some clans are moronic enough to do it.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:38 PM
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Just finished reading it.

My favorite of the "Horde" focused stories.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:39 PM
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He was too stupid to put a saddle or anything on the damn thing before jumping off the cliff. Not a fan.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:44 PM
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I really wonder if they have even ONE person at Blizzard, remotely interested in the Alliance.

Im not saying an extremist pro-Alliance guy, but at least someone who can say "hey, what about the Alliance?" =/

Because they might not think they have a problem, but when the general perception is the Horde bias even between the Horde fans... >_>
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:45 PM
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Except your goal in that campaign is to destroy the Alliance and kill your own expedition. You have to set the stage of the Alliance being destroyed, so that the newly-redeemed Horde and the shiny new Night Elves can pick up the pieces.


That's our Anakin Skywalker. "Uther always tries to hooold me baaaack!"
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:46 PM
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Do you guys think Koak will show up again? In the Siege?
No, he's too busy being coked out to show up.

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Fuck orcish redemption I'm tired of this shit.

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No because if you don't show up in the game first Blizz doesn't know you exist.
I'm still pretty pissed at the lack of Songweaver and that other dude in the siege. And Aethas, too, because we might as well.

... also, how'd I get in this thread? I thought I clicked on faction bitching.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:46 PM
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I am relatively happy. I just can't help but feel though that Garrosh is a gift to the Alliance player base. Getting mad at the players though over the direction of the story would do me no good though
The problem is, Garrosh isn't a gift for the Alliance in any way. Everything is being blamed on him. The Alliance isn't being allowed to kill him on their own. Hell, the only two reasons so far given in game that the Alliance is being allowed to tag along with the rebels, and that the Alliance is only there to help remove a bad leader of the Horde. Without apparently asking anything in return. If Garrosh is a gift, Blizzard can take him back and choke on him themselves.

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Would you rather have orcish redemption or purging?
At this point? Purging. Blizzard has proven that most orcs are too stupid to be allowed to exist. Most of them are too bloodthirsty and too willing to blame everyone else for their problems.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:47 PM
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Rhonin, Krassus, Malygos, Ysera, Nozdormu, and Sinestra all were in novels long before they appeared in any Warcraft game.
I'm not talking about novels I'm talking about short stories.

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Would you rather have orcish redemption or purging?
Purging.

I used to love the orcs.

I can't stand them now.

It makes me sad really.

I never thought Blizz could fuck up SO BAD as to make me hate Thrall. In Vanilla wow it was just inconceivable. I wouldn't have believed someone if they told me the -actual- expansions stories before they'd happened, it would've sounded like bad fanfiction.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:50 PM
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He was too stupid to put a saddle or anything on the damn thing before jumping off the cliff. Not a fan.
It was a spur of the moment thing and there was a scene where it refused to be saddled.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:51 PM
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It was a spur of the moment thing and there was a scene where it refused to be saddled.
It was still stupid as sin.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:52 PM
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Can't be worse than Garrosh, or Thrall.
He's learned a better way of getting people to do what you want than Garrosh, and unlike Thrall, he's not human educated and doesn't think like a human. He seems like he's just the right balance between the two.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:53 PM
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Purging.

I used to love the orcs.

I can't stand them now.

It makes me sad really.

I never thought Blizz could fuck up SO BAD as to make me hate Thrall. In Vanilla wow it was just inconceivable. I wouldn't have believed someone if they told me the -actual- expansions stories before they'd happened, it would've sounded like bad fanfiction.
This makes me so sad. I loved the orcs too and Blizzard put them in this awkward situation where if they tried to bring them back it would be so sloppy and unbelievable.

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:57 PM
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It could be my alliance bias but I don't care about the Orc purging. They're the humans/neutrals of the horde who steal niches from Tauren and trolls. Dissolving the clans was a bad idea because at least then I could say who were the good and bad orcs were.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:58 PM
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He's learned a better way of getting people to do what you want than Garrosh, and unlike Thrall, he's not human educated and doesn't think like a human. He seems like he's just the right balance between the two.
This has always pissed me off.

Thrall is not "Orc/Human"

he's

"Orc / Traumatized/Abused fucking gladiator."

This gentle namby pamby bullshit he slid into makes no sense.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:01 PM
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When do you believe he turned into an Orc/Human
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:05 PM
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When do you believe he turned into an Orc/Human
"You dissapoint me Garrosh" vs. *BEATS HIM UPSIDE THE HEAD WITH THE DOOMHAMMER* "NOW LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE SHIT, YOU'RE GONNA RESPECT JAINA BECAUSE SHE HELPED SAVE YOUR DAD AND YOU'RE GONNA RESPECT ME BECAUSE I'M THE GODDAMN WARCHIEF. YOUR DAD WAS MY PAL SO I CUT YOU SOME SLACK BUT I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH YOU!"

Remember "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GROM!?"

And the Thrall that crushed Burx's skull open in Cycle of Hatred?

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Even before that actually

In Vanilla

It was STUPID to be sending forces to help out with Onyxia or mess with the Dark portal or the Dwarf princess when he hadn't even secured Durotar.

I get the Horde needed quests in those areas but -Really-.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:08 PM
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Oh I'm sorry! I didn't know wanting peace with the alliance was wrong

Who would you send to EK then?
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:09 PM
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This has always pissed me off.

Thrall is not "Orc/Human"

he's

"Orc / Traumatized/Abused fucking gladiator."

This gentle namby pamby bullshit he slid into makes no sense.
I just don't understand why Blizzard did this. Why did Blizzard have to make Garrosh Hellscream the way they did?
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Oh I'm sorry! I didn't know wanting peace with the alliance was wrong

Who would you send to EK then?
No one before Durotar/Barrens were secure. Blizz should've had a longer timeskip.

Or hell The forsaken or darkspear could've had something out there.

Darkspear in Swamp of Sorrows due to Atal'ai

Or the orcs could've been in the searing gorge to recruit blackrocks tired of being dumb rather than... for no real reason.

I never said peace was stupid and I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth you lil shit.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:15 PM
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You got a pretty mouth. I like putting things in it.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:45 PM
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I loved this short story. Even if I want more Alliance PoV Short stories, this was just perfect for me at least.

And aside from any faction bitching, it was well written. I felt bad for Koak and I loved to read how he forged his bond with Steel.

It's encouraging that there hasn't been any Pandaren short story that wasn't well written. There hasn't been any Baine's like.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:12 PM
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Koak fills me with hope that more orcs like him exist, enough to make the new Horde under the next Warchief a great one.
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