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Old 04-08-2013, 11:20 AM
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:23 AM
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To be honest, cata also made me wish magic was toned down a bit and diversified. MoP did a pretty damn good job at that though. Actually, now that I think about it, MoP did a pretty good job at toning down and/or diversifying technology as well.


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Old 04-08-2013, 11:29 AM
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:52 AM
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I've found an increase in tech levels in regards to warfare in the Warcraft setting doesn't bother me too much; airships, submarines, steam tanks, machine guns, bombs, etc.

But when the technology is smaller, more modern type devices with major applications outside of warfare, such as radios, cameras, etc. that's when it kind of bothers me.

http://www.wowhead.com/quest=2944

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It's typical of Blizzard's particular brand of crap. They take a concept with some great potential but, because they're inclined not to ask "What makes sense in our setting and advances the plot" but rather "what do I think would be really cool right now without any consideration of context," their handling is shaky, inconsistent and ultimately destructive to the entire premise.
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:11 PM
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A lot of that is because WoW is a game designed to be fun to play that happens to have a story, rather than a game that is fun to play that also tells a story.

It's a subtle difference, but makes a huge difference to the coherence of the story.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:51 PM
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If WoW were set to real life dating standards, with the dawn of recorded civilization at around 4000 BCE matching up to the Sundering (which is a gross underestimate to the beginning of WoW civilization, mind) 10,000 years before the present events in-game, the setting takes place in the year 6000 ACE.

This whole conversation is silly. Warcraft has always had high levels of tech alongside the swords and spells. Especially since magic is the surrogate for technology in fantasy. If nothing else, it's just technological magic - like using elemental fire as a power source. Really, you can suspend disbelief for a magical crystal that lets you communicate across the astral planes, but if it comes in the form of a radio box, oh lordy no my immersion?

If nothing nothing else, Titans did it. Some gnome found a camera on an earthen tourist's corpse and reverse engineered it. There.
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:25 PM
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Warcraft's looseness (dunno if that's the exact word I'm looking for) with technology was one of the things that originally attracted me to the game. It wasn't just "swords and magic" or just "guns and ultra high-tech gadgets", it's a mix of both. I always liked the fact that some races relied heavily on high-tech weaponry and others relied on more traditional tools of war.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:12 PM
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Warcraft's looseness (dunno if that's the exact word I'm looking for) with technology was one of the things that originally attracted me to the game. It wasn't just "swords and magic" or just "guns and ultra high-tech gadgets", it's a mix of both. I always liked the fact that some races relied heavily on high-tech weaponry and others relied on more traditional tools of war.
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Not to mention that you can tell easily within Warcraft just who's tech is who's because of how distinct they all are.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:13 PM
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The problem is nobody relies on technology. Despite the obvious advantages.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:45 PM
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A lot of that is because WoW is a game designed to be fun to play that happens to have a story, rather than a game that is fun to play that also tells a story.

It's a subtle difference, but makes a huge difference to the coherence of the story.
Exactly this.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:52 PM
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The problem is nobody relies on technology. Despite the obvious advantages.
I somewhat disagree. Technology does not outclass the magic from what I've seen. In a way, they both almost a same thing. You got Skype-like tech machine, we got magic astral mirrors. You got some insane gnomogoblin teleported? We got Magic: Teleport! and so forth.

Also, both can be seen equally hard to use for your average joe in WoW. For example, imagine a peasant holding a newest gnome assault laser rifle. Poor fella more likely shoot himself not knowing where to aim. He might see a magic scroll that tells you how to cast a fireball, but wait, he can't read. So I would argue that they are both pretty much equal and when something required to be blown up, they both can do a splendid job.

Blizzard might not even explain in, since I don't personally see a big problem. It's almost like saying Blizz doesn't care about Alliance caring for Lordareon. They just haven't gotten around to doing it and exploring the subject.

P.S. YES! Managed to sneak in Lordareon into the magic vs tech! Although kind of beaten to it.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:35 AM
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I'm pretty sure Gnomes do.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:52 AM
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I'm pretty sure Gnomes do.
Symptomatic. We don't see Gnomes doing anything, ever.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:25 AM
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Forsaken and Dwarves both have some pretty heavy tech usage, as well.
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:19 AM
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I'd like to see every race, not just the same few, adapt (or at least adopt) some of these technologies we've been seeing since WC2 to suit their needs and according to their respective aesthetics.

At least acknowledge that technology's made leaps and bounds and that there's some stuff there which could be of use to everyone.
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:13 AM
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I'd like to see every race, not just the same few, adapt (or at least adopt) some of these technologies we've been seeing since WC2 to suit their needs and according to their respective aesthetics.

At least acknowledge that technology's made leaps and bounds and that there's some stuff there which could be of use to everyone.
Ironically most do. Problem is trolls and Tauren steer away from it. Even Garrosh dissed voljin for being too primitive.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:03 AM
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:04 AM
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:05 AM
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Ironically most do. Problem is trolls and Tauren steer away from it. Even Garrosh dissed voljin for being too primitive.
Which is a bit odd, considering we know the Darkspear seem to have eschewed spear and axe throwers in favour of fielding riflemen, if Tides of War is any indication.

Might just be another case of Garrosh being an asshat.

It's not just Trolls and Tauren though. When was the last time you say the Night Elves using anything higher tech than a glaive thrower? They've still got trees throwing rocks, for crying out loud. Even the Gilneans seem to have "dumbed down" their use of technology once the starting zone's are over with (If I'm missing something here, let me know, I'm not intimately familiar with the Worgen's every appearance.).
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:07 AM
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Which is a bit odd, considering we know the Darkspear seem to have eschewed spear and axe throwers in favour of fielding riflemen, if Tides of War is any indication.

Might just be another case of Garrosh being an asshat.

It's not just Trolls and Tauren though. When was the last time you say the Night Elves using anything higher tech than a glaive thrower? They've still got trees throwing rocks, for crying out loud. Even the Gilneans seem to have "dumbed down" their use of technology once the starting zone's are over with (If I'm missing something here, let me know, I'm not intimately familiar with the Worgen's every appearance.).
There are still Gilnean huntsmen around Kalimdor, ass well as some of their wagons and clothing + rapiers.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:10 AM
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There are still Gilnean huntsmen around Kalimdor, ass well as some of their wagons and clothing + rapiers.
And the night elves are starting to use cannons and rifles, according to Stonetalon.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:12 AM
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:13 AM
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And the night elves are starting to use cannons and rifles, according to Stonetalon.
Oh, didn't know that. :o
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:13 AM
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I would love to see primitive/tribal aesthetics applied to advanced technology.
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