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Old 03-07-2016, 11:13 PM
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Tyrande & Malfurion could be kept as figureheads, without any real power. Some council, comprising representatives of druids, sentinels, wardens and so on could rule instead.

...actually, this would work for any faction. Away from autoritarianism, welcome our new parliamentary overlords.
Council of Nobles in Stormwind, Senate in Ironforge, dunno what for the gnomes... isn't Mekkatorque democratically elected already?
That wouldn't fix the Night elves current problems. They need a strong and firm hand to start the much needed revolutionary changes. Once that has been set in motion and stability has been achieved, only then can such a council work.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:21 PM
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That wouldn't fix the Night elves current problems. They need a strong and firm hand to start the much needed revolutionary changes. Once that has been set in motion and stability has been achieved, only then can such a council work.
Okay, commence a coup d'etat. Have Shandris, Maiev and Omnuron (or whoever, the first named druid I remembered) from a triumvirate to depose the decadent, corrupt and incompetent duo. You have your revolution, can have your revolutionary changes.

But first comes first, and that is writers.

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Old 03-07-2016, 11:23 PM
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Okay, commence a coup d'etat. Have Shandris, Maiev and Omnuron (or whoever, the first named druid I remembered) from a triumvirate to depose the decadent, corrupt and incompetent duo. You have your revolution, can have your revolutionary changes.

But first comes first, and that is writers.
Skip Maiev, she's too hating of things that the Night elves need, Like the mages of the Shendralar.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:23 PM
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The Night elves need a revolution. They need dire directional changes to their society. The Druids are too large of a presence. They should be put as background figures.

Otherwise, if logic ruled Azeroth, they'd go extinct within 30 years.
From this



To this



Disgraceful.

Leadership is disgusting.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:25 PM
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Skip Maiev, she's too hating of things that the Night elves need, Like the mages of the Shendralar.
That's fine, someone needs to keep an eye on them. Checks and balances.

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Leadership is disgusting.
You're disgusting, but that's obvious and beside the point.

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Old 03-07-2016, 11:30 PM
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Awful hard to breathe in the first pic...
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:30 PM
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It doesn't have to be like that, Ruinbro.

What once was can be again:





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Old 03-07-2016, 11:32 PM
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With the right leadership, we can make Darnassia Great again!
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:36 PM
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council council council council council council

should call this thread legion of the hidden council.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:36 PM
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How many people actually read the lamppost argument? Seeing it referenced constantly over the years, I wonder how many people are simply regurgitating the meme without having actually been there to see it born.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:38 PM
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With the right leadership, we can make Darnassia Great again!
The Night elves are the chosen of Elune, it's time for them to show that again.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:40 PM
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That's what being a meme means.
I know what a meme is. I want to know who here actually read the argument that created it. I want to know if people even remember which posters are responsible for the meme's birth.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:40 PM
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The Night elves are the chosen of Elune, it's time for them to show that again.
By...restoring the empire that stopped giving a crap about Elune?
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:41 PM
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You seem to be forgetting that the Kaldorei Empire broke off into the current Night Elves, High/Blood Elves, Nightborne, Satyr, and Naga. Those beautiful buildings were probably built with arcane magic. Because the current Night Elves are hippies and banned arcane, The High/Blood Elves and Nightborne were the only ones who were able to maintain or rebuild their glorious architecture.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:41 PM
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The Night elves are the chosen of Elune, it's time for them to show that again.
Gather all the Moonwells together and form a new Well of Eternity! Use it's power to rise again!

The Kaldorei have spent to long groveling at other nations feet! They are the Kaldorei! They TELL other countries what they expect, or else, and the other nations damn well listen!

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By...restoring the empire that stopped giving a crap about Elune?
They always cared about Elune.... Still a primary religion. Azshara herself worked to get a former High PRiestess in her palace.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:44 PM
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By...restoring the empire that stopped giving a crap about Elune?
You learn from the mistakes of the past, otherwise you are doomed to repeat them. The empire wasn't wrong, the leadership was. Just like Tyrande and Malfurion.

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You seem to be forgetting that the Kaldorei Empire broke off into the current Night Elves, High/Blood Elves, Nightborne, Satyr, and Naga. Those beautiful buildings were probably built with arcane magic. Because the current Night Elves are hippies and banned arcane, The High/Blood Elves and Nightborne were the only ones who were able to maintain or rebuild their glorious architecture.
Which is why I propose reintegrating the High elves into Night elf society and to share Kalimdor with the Draenei. The High elves know how to build a thriving society and the Draenei do as well as shown on AU Draenor.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:46 PM
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You learn from the mistakes of the past, otherwise you are doomed to repeat them. The empire wasn't wrong, the leadership was. Just like Tyrande and Malfurion.
You know who we need in Leadership?

Shandris/Estullan/Crow/Altrius.

That's the council you want. That's money.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:49 PM
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You know who we need in Leadership?

Shandris/Estullan/Crow/Altrius.

That's the council you want. That's money.
I'm fine with that except for the Demon Hunter. Perhaps someone more established than Crow. Even Broll could work, though he might be too Malfurion Corrupted.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:56 PM
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Still crap though. What the Night elves need are the death of the current leadership, they've shown themselves to be highly detrimental to the night elven people. *Cough* New writers too *Cough*.

Tyrande is incompetent and Malfurion is a very, very bad influence.
Except all their replacements are going to be pretty much the same. The same applies with the other races including, I unfortunately suspect, Sylvanas if they ever remove her from her current role. Replace the current leaders with characters you like better and they will just get Tyrandeified or Malfurionified.

Infact in some cases they have been worse. The orcs have had rubbish leaders for a while and their original poster boy, Thrall, is now a sulking washout sitting around Dalaran.

People are attributing narrative issues they have to the characters. Its the writters. Baine looks like a completely useless fool who gets pushed around thanks to how he has been written in game but any Tauren who replaced him would end up being just the same. Its just the identity they have decided to give the race.
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Old 03-07-2016, 11:57 PM
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Except all their replacements are going to be pretty much the same. The same applies with the other races including, I unfortunately suspect, Sylvanas if they ever remove her from her current role.

Infact in some cases they have been worse. The orcs have had rubbish leaders for a while and their original poster boy, Thrall, is now a sulking washout sitting around Dalaran.

People are attributing narrative issues they have to the characters. Its the writters. Baine looks like a completely useless fool who gets pushed around thanks to how he has been written in game but any Tauren who replaced him would end up being just the same. Its just the identity they have decided to give the race.
New writers needed.
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I'm fine with that except for the Demon Hunter. Perhaps someone more established than Crow. Even Broll could work, though he might be too Malfurion Corrupted.
Crow secures the Druids vote without sacrificing the fire. Sure, a more experienced voice would be better, but their all establishment. I admit , Altruis is a risk, but be comes with a space ship. Science division could really use him.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:00 AM
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New writers needed.
Pretty much. Blizzard's ideas are alright but their writing and narrative cohesion has been rubbish for quite a long time now. And the fact its an MMO is no excuse. There are several other MMOs out there that do it far, far better.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:08 AM
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make kaldorei great again...by building underwater cities booyah
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:10 AM
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They always cared about Elune.... Still a primary religion. Azshara herself worked to get a former High PRiestess in her palace.
Azshara wanted Tyrande as a sign of her dominance. It's true that for most of history Azshara and the highborne did not disown the religion of Elune (at least openly so), they did disown Elune once they came into contact with the true God: Sargeras.

Azshara's reign was detrimental to the vast majority of the lowborne night elves, but she sure had a plan for true greatness: join the Legion and become a cosmic empire. Greatness rarely means the comfort of the majority.

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Old 03-08-2016, 12:20 AM
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Azshara wanted Tyrande as a sign of her dominance. It's true that for most of history Azshara and the highborne did not disown the religion of Elune (at least openly so), they did disown Elune once they came into contact with the true God: Sargeras.

Azshara's reign was detrimental to the vast majority of the lowborne night elves, but she sure had a plan for true greatness: join the Legion and become a cosmic empire. Greatness rarely means the comfort of the majority.
Hey maybe it'd have worked out for the elves too! I mean the Eredar seemed to get a pretty good deal out of joining the Legion!
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