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Old 07-21-2016, 06:26 PM
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Query, were the Crusades a defensive war?
We know from the speech at the Council of Clermont that Urban the II used the justification of the Seljuk Turks and the Arabs but I've heard of other reasons.
They were.

I mean, muslims had stolen the Levant, Iberia, Egypt and the rest of North Africa from Christians and were trying for Anatolia and the Eastern Roman Empire (indeed muslims attacked Roman Anatolia before Seljuks showed up on the scene so their aggression is ancient and persistent). They were taxing Christians heavily as a means of coercion to convert and I am sure there were many abuses committed (it's just inevitable when one group comes to dominate another).

But I will agree with Destron that things were not pure with the Crusaders either. Especially the latter crusades (the First Crusade strikes me as quite childlike in how the crusaders acted... well if we disregard the killing).

But all in all, Christians were strongly in the right in these wars. Now if only the crusades happened sooner and were fiercer they might have actually finished the job
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:02 PM
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Now if only the crusades happened sooner and were fiercer they might have actually finished the job
Europe wasn't really in a place to do that. The Byzantines did recover some land lost to the Muslims.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:40 PM
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So... the Greeks and Romans get credit for genetics, the university system, the paintings in the Sistine Chapel, harassing Galileo, and the Crusades?
Building from what the Greeks set up.
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They were.

I mean, muslims had stolen the Levant, Iberia, Egypt and the rest of North Africa from Christians and were trying for Anatolia and the Eastern Roman Empire (indeed muslims attacked Roman Anatolia before Seljuks showed up on the scene so their aggression is ancient and persistent). They were taxing Christians heavily as a means of coercion to convert and I am sure there were many abuses committed (it's just inevitable when one group comes to dominate another).

But I will agree with Destron that things were not pure with the Crusaders either. Especially the latter crusades (the First Crusade strikes me as quite childlike in how the crusaders acted... well if we disregard the killing).

But all in all, Christians were strongly in the right in these wars. Now if only the crusades happened sooner and were fiercer they might have actually finished the job
Of course depending on the Sultanate certain groups did much better under Muslim rule (such as the Jews who went to the Ottomans en masse once the Spanish started their little genocides). That's the thing with wars...there rarely is a 'right' or 'wrong' side as both sides do their fair share of awful things.
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:06 PM
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Building from what the Greeks set up.
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Building from what the Greeks set up.
Sure, sure, shoulders of giants and all that.

But then why aren't we crediting Thog, the guy who found out you could cook meat, for modern computing?
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:57 PM
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Sure, sure, shoulders of giants and all that.

But then why aren't we crediting Thog, the guy who found out you could cook meat, for modern computing?
I'll have you know that Thogette created fire you cis white male patriarchy scum!
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:22 PM
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Sure, sure, shoulders of giants and all that.

But then why aren't we crediting Thog, the guy who found out you could cook meat, for modern computing?
Science proved Thog was a homosexual in the closet so it was actually the LGBT community that invented cooking. You don't want to disagree with science do you?
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Realtalk, the Republican party's heavy religious leaning makes me deeply concerned about their capacity to govern, almost as much as their denial of commonly accepted scientific facts like climate change and the need for renewable energy.
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Old 07-22-2016, 12:33 AM
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Realtalk, the Republican party's heavy religious leaning makes me deeply concerned about their capacity to govern, almost as much as their denial of commonly accepted scientific facts like climate change and the need for renewable energy.
Good news for you: Trump is the nominee. We might just see what GOP secularism looks like.

Or, you can look at Galdus.
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Trump just proposed that Churches fundraise for politicians while keeping their tax exempt status to thunderous applause. Yeah, that's a really good sign isn't it?
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Good news for you: Trump is the nominee. We might just see what GOP secularism looks like.

Or, you can look at Galdus.
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Trump just proposed that Churches fundraise for politicians while keeping their tax exempt status to thunderous applause. Yeah, that's a really good sign isn't it?
Really, do you think Trump -isn't- going to abuse the beliefs of the Religious Right to get what he wants?
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Nope, your government signed away your right to not look at Americans when requested under the ICADOA.

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Old 07-22-2016, 09:18 AM
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Or, you can look at Galdus.
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I am voting against Trump but I am going to complain at you people on this side of the aisle until I can hopefully go back in 2020.
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Haha, good one Grackle.



Really, do you think Trump -isn't- going to abuse the beliefs of the Religious Right to get what he wants?
Honestly? I think it'll be a coin flip on most issues.

Just this week Trump was talking like he wouldn't uphold NATO obligations, only to be contradicted by Pence later. We have no idea what we'd be getting, on any issue.


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Literally more Protestant stupidity.
Except, regardless of official positions of the Catholic Church, witch trials also happened in Medieval Catholic Germany. So no, Taintedmage, this has never been just a Protestant thing.
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Old 07-31-2016, 10:24 PM
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I almost forgot about this glorious gem of an article.

https://warhornmedia.com/2016/03/07/...rom-star-wars/

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Old 07-31-2016, 10:32 PM
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I almost forgot about this glorious gem of an article.

https://warhornmedia.com/2016/03/07/...rom-star-wars/

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Holy shit.
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Old 07-31-2016, 10:58 PM
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https://warhornmedia.com/2016/03/07/...rom-star-wars/

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Good stories—not Dostoevsky (yuck) but good old-fashioned American action and suspense stories—need a good guy and a bad guy, generally evenly matched.
What a pleb.

And the funny part is that Dostoyevsky (this is the spelling I prefer) was actually deeply conservative. Crime and Punishment was an argument against the nihilistic trends of Western European thought that sought to reject Christian morality. Demons showed how liberalism can slip into nihilism.

Those who consider themselves conservatives ought to read Dostoyevsky (and Josef Roth, too, while we're at it).

Oh, and the rest of the guy's article was crap.
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The child that wrote it looks exactly like how you imagine someone who would write such an article looks like. It's pretty great and it gave me a hearty chuckle.

Surely if God was all knowing and powerful and good he would smite such a creature off this Earth.
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