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Old 03-02-2015, 11:22 AM
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So my theory for a long time has been that the Draenei have terraformed parts of Draenor. Namely, Shadowmoon Valley and Talador. I will use plants to explain. To save space on how many images I'm going to post, I'll just post the links.

Two Draenei give us some evidence of this:
Exarch Hataaru and Exarch Naielle.
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:Invisible_Ramparts
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Questefenestrations

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Exarch Hataaru says: On our homeworld, art, science, magic and technology were all as one. Ah, such wonders we would build!
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Exarch Hataaru says: Now, I have only spare parts and whatever primitive materials we can cobble together.
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Exarch Naielle says: Did you sink resonance crystals into the ground again? You're driving the creatures of the earth berserk!
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Exarch Naielle says: When will you learn that this world is nothing like Argus?
Their dialogue seems to imply that Exarch Hatarru has done this before and that the Draenei's magic-tech is not something that Draenor and its inhabitants enjoy.

Shadowmoon Valley:

There are a few types of trees in Shadowmoon Valley.

The first is a large purple tree with black bark. On the border of Talador-Shadowmoon Valley there are trees that share the model but are green and dark brown in color. I think it is likely that these are the same tree. There is evidence of the shadow magics that the Shadowmoon Orcs use having a corrupting effect on the wildlife.

Purple/Black tree:
http://i.imgur.com/469peOa.jpg

Green/Dark Brown tree:
http://i.imgur.com/zGhxIgC.jpg

Another type are tall and thin, they have brown trunks with green leaves:

http://i.imgur.com/unQmX3B.jpg

Now, for the previously mentioned evidence of the Shadowmoon Orcs' magic having an effect on the trees:
http://i.imgur.com/tlojoUZ.jpg

Note that these normally green and brown trees take on the same look as the purple/black trees from above. Likely, the tall green/brown trees are trees that the Draenei placed there in their terraforming efforts.

In Shadowmoon there are only two locations that it rains, Moonwillow Peak and Gloomshade Grove.

Moonwillow Peak:
http://i.imgur.com/FEBk0mH.jpg

Gloomshade Grove:

http://i.imgur.com/W00Rz1o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hLmnngl.jpg

In the case of Moonwillow Peak, it should be noted that the grass is not the normal greenish-turquoise that covers much of Shadowmoon Valley. Instead, it is a much more blue in color.

Seen easily here:
http://i.imgur.com/Y9xpSuo.jpg


Now, where does this leave Shadowmoon Valley? Well, I think that it was originally something else: Shadowmoon Swamp. Why? The blue grass is found in other places that lead me to believe it is the natural state of the zone. Such as: the Shimmering Moor, Blademoon Bloom, and the Nightmarsh.

The Shimmering Moor:
http://i.imgur.com/tUY2FWt.jpg

Blademoon Bloom:
http://i.imgur.com/KTYr5VJ.jpg

The Nightmarsh:
http://i.imgur.com/VpBAI9D.jpg

Some other pictures from the other zones:
http://imgur.com/a/KaQZt

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Old 03-19-2015, 08:49 AM
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Bump! But is that evidence of draenei terraforming? Aren't the purple trees just a bi-product of growing in Shadowmoon?
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Old 09-07-2015, 07:38 PM
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This update is long overdue. I have more evidence to present.


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Bump! But is that evidence of draenei terraforming? Aren't the purple trees just a bi-product of growing in Shadowmoon?
It is a side effect of growing in Shadowmoon. Their natural color is the green-black. Now, if this is from Shadowmoon magic, the soil, or the Botani, I am not sure. We know how they look when they aren't directly in Shadowmoon.

However, we know that trees react to magic and are extremely resistant to it. Why?

The Burning Front:
http://i.imgur.com/BbekDVM.jpg

Now, if you note the tree in the front are same shade from Outland. We know Outland suffered heavily from fel magic and the change present in that spot is the inclusion of fel magic. This is assuming that the tree behind it are a product of light magic.

On Outland we have other examples of their resilience.

Veil Lashh, in Blade's Edge Mountains:
http://i.imgur.com/UxLiax9.jpg

Terrokar Forest:
http://i.imgur.com/j4KifUT.jpg

Sketh'lon:
http://i.imgur.com/ZKPEyhK.jpg

Though, the trees in Sketh'lon do seem to burned rather than just dead of magical or natural causes. It is also possible that they are alive, but just not baring leaves.

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Old 09-11-2015, 11:34 AM
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It does make me wonder how Talador would become Terokkar Forest. There's a drastic change in color that is remniscent of what we see in the trees in Shadowmoon Valley.

On the other hand, it might just be that we are seeing two different seasons. That Terokkar Forest is set in summer or spring and Talador is set in autumn.

Or perhaps Talador looks like it's in autumn because the Arrakoa are somehow increasing Talador's climate, causing the colors to shift from green to autumn.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:19 PM
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Talador to Terrokar is a result of the fel magic on the Draenei's trees. As you can see at the Burning Front. That coupled with the explosion of the Auchindoun would likely create the environment.
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:34 PM
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B-b-but Terokkar Forest was already mentioned in Rise of the Horde! And BTDP!
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:51 PM
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B-b-but Terokkar Forest was already mentioned in Rise of the Horde! And BTDP!
I don't know how that changes much of anything. The idea I'm talking about is more floral than anything else. It doesn't really change Terokkar.

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Old 09-14-2015, 12:53 PM
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B-b-but Terokkar Forest was already mentioned in Rise of the Horde! And BTDP!
Lorewise, Terokkar Forest could very well be just a part of Talador that survived the destruction of Draenor.
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Old 09-15-2015, 07:50 AM
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B-b-but Terokkar Forest was already mentioned in Rise of the Horde! And BTDP!
And the ogres were impaling black dragons in Blade's Edge Mountains long before Draenor became Outland. So yeah, bug fuckup there in my book.
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Old 09-15-2015, 08:08 AM
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And the ogres were impaling black dragons in Blade's Edge Mountains long before Draenor became Outland. So yeah, bug fuckup there in my book.
Once again, Blade's Edge Mountains could very well be a part of Gorgrond or Frostfire, or even both. It is not as if the lore geography translates directly to the game geography. And I am not talking only about the scale, as simply enlarging of the world does not work. Or do you think the bridge over the Lake Everstill could be few kilometers long? Some things get deformed during the transition process, some get even lost. Just imagine the Blade's Edge Mountains are the mountain range in between Frostfire Ridge and Gorgrond while Terokkar Forest counts for the large forest in eastern Talador and you will be fine.
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They explicitly stated that the Blade's Edge Mountains were created when those two zones squished together. That they actually legitimately explained.

Not how they could have been around before the Third War, tho.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:57 AM
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They explicitly stated that the Blade's Edge Mountains were created when those two zones squished together. That they actually legitimately explained.

Not how they could have been around before the Third War, tho.
There are some mountains on western Frostfire Ridge called Blade's Edge Mountain that would be the original one from before Draenor's destruction.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:38 AM
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There are some mountains on western Frostfire Ridge called Blade's Edge Mountain that would be the original one from before Draenor's destruction.
Also, Bashiok once told us this.

The Bladespire Mountains exist in Draenor, and the held theory by historians is that the Blade's Edge Mountains formed as Gorgron and Frostfire were driven into each other during the breaking of Outland. There may well be nods in Draenor toward the name Blade's Edge, and the future that is yet to come.


So, there is nothing that really says that Blade's Edge Mountain(s?) did not exist before the creation of the zone of the same name. Blizzard merely could have been saying the zone (or large geographical area in non-game terms) we saw in-game had been created with the creation of Outland.
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Old 10-29-2015, 04:42 PM
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Small update.

One of the terraces in Shattrath on Draenor has demons on it. The trees there reflect my theory on fel corruption.
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I hope that sapling we liberated off the Warp Splinter in Botanica is doing okay. Why did the naaru kidnap a confused treant anyway?

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Oh wow I am dumb, I never realized until now that Botani is just one letter off from botany.
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I hope that sapling we liberated off the Warp Splinter in Botanica is doing okay. Why did the naaru kidnap a confused treant anyway?
Because the Naaru are evil and do not approve of terraforming.
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Old 10-26-2016, 11:36 AM
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I could probably update this for Legion because of Val'Sharah.
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