There's a lot of clans; I don't think we'll be killing all of them, even beyond just the Frostwolf.

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Why don't you simply admit you wouldn't even give a fuck if that happened.

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Consider also: an Alliance fan who becomes a Horde fan can very easily still hate the Forsaken.

Look at Lor'themar himself.

Well, Kargath never tried to conquer/genocide humanity. All he ever did was fighting for the survival of Draenor orcs. Yet Orgrim is the biggest hero of the Horde, despite his failure of a genocidal world-conquering campaign.

Seriously, the only thing that was actually bad about Kargath...

Was this part.

I'd almost chalk it up to "random novel weirdness" like with the Cycle of Hatred and Of Blood and Honor. This... random shadow councilor part sticks out against all the other portrayals, even the TBC one!

Orgrim knew Thrall personally. That is probably the only reason Thrall sees him differently.

So Orgrim not drinking the demon blood use to be this big thing. It doesn't really matter anymore now does it?

He also helped to free Orcs from the Alliance and wasn't a pawn of Gul'dan.

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I suppose he was an orcish patriot even though he tried to kill the elves!

Everyone has, even other Elves.

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The elves connection to trolls now confirmed.

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If Gul'dan had been skilled enough to get what he wanted from the Tomb of Sargeras, then today we would be saying that he played Doomhammer like a fiddle.

It's a bit silly that the demons killed Gul'dan. If the ones at the Tomb of Sargeras kept him alive, then it's possible that the Horde's bigger objective against Azeroth (as per the desire of the Burning Legion itself) would have been more successful.

For a while, my headcanon was that the daemons/Sargeras simply wanted Gul'dan to open the tomb, and that would release and expose something really important because reasons.

But now it's been years and years since that event, and nothing came of it.

Remember, just because they're demons doesn't mean they serve the legion. When Aegwynn buried the avatar of Sargeras in the tomb, it's rather unlikely that she put the corpse in a tomb that already contained demons, since that would be stupid. Instead, it seems more likely that the energies of the corpse itself somehow either summoned or created the demons.

This means that the demons there in no way represented the actual legion hierarchy. Hence, attacking Gul'dan and Illidan's forces, even when they were fulfilling the plans of Kil'jaeden. Even if they were members of the legion before, they wouldn't know not to attack Gul'dan and Illidan unless they were kept in the loop.

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Didn't Gul'dan want to become godlike in power, not serve the Legion?

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That's how I remember it, after opening the tomb he hoped to get his hands on something powerful enough to make him just as powerful as Kil'Jaeden and friends, I might not be remembering that right though.

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Yeah they do, didn't the lose the only one they ever really had via Nyorloth right?

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He was active for like three days before Blizzard sacked him. It was sad and, on Blizzard's part, pathetic.

I dunno why he doesn't come back to post here though.

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3 part sadness 1 part regret....or maybe one of us is secretly a new account of his....I think we are going to have to go with IgoD pretty safe bet.

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Fojar this is completely insane. It is painfully obvious here that you are the one that is trying to rationalize with the explicit purpose to try to marginalize your detractors and support your own position. Even if you are the only one that believes this. Even if the creators themselves of the fictional universe don't believe this, and I know that you know that they don't. Why should anyone here buy into this revision?

The Alliance didn't fight the Quilboar before that point.

It is very relevant. The Alliance was closer to the black dragons, black rock orcs, and dark iron dwarves than they were to the Scourge. You don't get to deal with the later until you are a higher level and you fight them on the other side of the world.

And why not Fojar? Why shouldn't mindless zombies from Lordaeron be a concern to the free willed zombies of Lordaeron?

The Horde was part of that expansion too. They had quests as well.

Are we "really" going to be getting a horde/orc themed Chimera before fucking Night Elves get theirs? Mother fuckers.

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It's not a revision; point out one thing I said that isn't factually accurate.

So? You realize that the Alliance fights things for the first time at least once, right? The fact that the first time they fight the Quilboar is when the Quilboar ally with the Scourge seems to help my argument.

Sorry, maybe you missed the part of my post where I asked you to explain how this is relevant and how it somehow nullifies the Scourge's relevance in the Alliance narrative.

Shit that doesn't happen until endgame is just as relevant to racial narrative as stuff that happens in your starting zone.

Neither of them are from Lordaeron, for one thing.

And if they were such a concern you have to wonder why the Forsaken never seriously engaged them and instead spent all their time sacking human towns and monasteries.

Remember how the Lich King was personally interacting with the Alliance player as soon as they got off the boat? Remember how Arthas personally oversaw operations against Valgarde and Valiance Keep while ignoring Warsong Hold, the only Scourge command presence there being a hologram of Kel'thuzad?

Remember when the one time he interacts with the Horde player he says that they're "meddling" and basically rolls his eyes at them? Remember how he personally ordered Naxxramas to lay siege to Wintergarde and barely even acknowledged any Horde fortifications?

Remember at the Wrathgate when Saurfang is uncerimoniously one-shot while Bolvar actually verbally spars with Arthas and calls him a traitor to the Alliance and that he'll pay for the blood of Lordaeron and Terenas?

Yeah, the Horde was completely irrelevant to the WotLK narrative, Blood Elves and Forsaken included. The Horde narrative in WotLK was setting up for Cataclysm and Mists and had nothing to do with the Scourge.

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You are right Fojar.

Sigged.

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Really? Are we doing this?

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