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Old 11-21-2017, 01:37 AM
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Blizz waffled on that in Chronicle and made them super peaceful nelf predecessors instead of the brutes they were always alluded as before.
Well, theoretically nothing about them being peaceful necessarily precludes them physically appearing brutish and savage before the Well started changing them into elves.

After all, even if they weren't aggressive themselves, they probably still had to be large and imposing enough to keep the other, more expansionist and militarily advanced tribes still thinking twice about trying to move in on their territory.
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Old 11-21-2017, 09:17 AM
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Were they specifically peaceful, or just not as warmongering and brutish as the other trolls?
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:47 PM
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I was reading The Last Guardian and I couldn't not think of this



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What I envisioned was something more close to this depiction


Or at least a creature that's very similar to the felhounds like the vile stalker
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:14 AM
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Were they specifically peaceful, or just not as warmongering and brutish as the other trolls?
They seem to have been pretty peaceful, judging by Chronicle's description.

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Originally Posted by Chronicle Volume 1, page 93, "The Well of Eternity and the Rise of the Night Elves"
Before their war with the aqir, the troll tribes claimed large swaths of Kalimdor. Many of these groups, such as the Gurubashi and Amani, clashed with each other over hunting grounds and territory. Yet one tribe was unconcerned with these battles for land and power.
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The dark trolls cherished their independence from greater troll society, and they largely ignored the activities of other tribes. Unlike their Gurubashi and Amani cousins, they longed for a peaceful connection to the natural world. Dark troll mystics often sought ways to commune with the land and live in harmony with it.
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Old 11-22-2017, 08:39 AM
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I was reading The Last Guardian and I couldn't not think of this



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What I envisioned was something more close to this depiction


Or at least a creature that's very similar to the felhounds like the vile stalker
That's actually really cool. I doubt it was intentional, but I choose to believe it was.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:35 PM
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A friend of mine claims: Orcs are little more than savage dwarves.

Scrutinize this.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:24 PM
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If anything they'd be even bigger than jungle trolls.
They look similar to drogbar.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:37 AM
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So Medivh used to act as a guard on the Twisting Nether? Or was that Sargeras inside him speaking?
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:51 AM
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So Medivh used to act as a guard on the Twisting Nether? Or was that Sargeras inside him speaking?
IIRC, standard guardian stuff. The whole purpose of the Council of Tirisfal is to protect the world from the demonic incursions brought about by magic. The Guardian acts as the clean up crew "for the mistakes of these amateurs" and other stuff.
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Old 12-15-2017, 01:56 PM
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So I got into a discussion (argument) about the allied races. Is it bad lore for the void elves to wield the light, while the lightforged wield the shadow? My friend believes that these two forces are too opposed to allow it from these races. I disagree, citing discipline.
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Old 12-15-2017, 02:00 PM
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So I got into a discussion (argument) about the allied races. Is it bad lore for the void elves to wield the light, while the lightforged wield the shadow? My friend believes that these two forces are too opposed to allow it from these races. I disagree, citing discipline.
I'd say wielding (so, what priests do), is okayish. Not simple, tricky, but doable, just like with Forsaken priests. Infusing yourself with (so, what paladins do) any of the two would be far more complicated, if not impossible, hence the absence of void elf paladins.
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Old 12-15-2017, 05:18 PM
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So I got into a discussion (argument) about the allied races. Is it bad lore for the void elves to wield the light, while the lightforged wield the shadow? My friend believes that these two forces are too opposed to allow it from these races. I disagree, citing discipline.
I'm not convinced either way, but allow me to point out that playable Discipline priests come from races that are not infused with Light/Shadow the way that the Lightforged and Void Elves seem to be. Even the Forsaken are more about "death" than "void". Maybe a "natural", baseline organism can hold both Light and Shadow in itself, but one partially remade by one of the forces would reject the other.
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Old 12-15-2017, 07:53 PM
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So I got into a discussion (argument) about the allied races. Is it bad lore for the void elves to wield the light, while the lightforged wield the shadow? My friend believes that these two forces are too opposed to allow it from these races. I disagree, citing discipline.
Interesting. Going with Turalyon and Alleria, who are basically the personification of these extremes, we know they can't touch.

Yet Discipline priests are entirely this by their spec fantasy, they are the edge between Void and light, the balance. Can there be a balance if you are infused with either? Probably not, but maybe not impossible as light and void are still a cycle after all, it would be incredibly hard though.
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Old 12-16-2017, 11:38 AM
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So don’t expect void elf holy priests and lightforged Draenei shadow priests?
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:45 PM
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Sargeras' sword, Gorribal, and Aggramar's sword, Taeshalach, were once the same sword, Gorshalach. The WoD challenge sword looks like a fusion of the two.

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Old 12-17-2017, 04:17 PM
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So we haven't heard anything about Tol Barad since Cataclysm other than "The Horde victory at Tol Barad" quote from Nazgrim right?
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Old 12-17-2017, 04:21 PM
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So we haven't heard anything about Tol Barad since Cataclysm other than "The Horde victory at Tol Barad" quote from Nazgrim right?
Shadow Council visited the peninsula in Legion.
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Old 12-17-2017, 04:27 PM
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Shadow Council visited the peninsula in Legion.
What happened there?
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Old 12-17-2017, 04:39 PM
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Gorshalasch is RPG only. In Chronicle Gorribal and Taeshalach broke in a duel with each other.
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What happened there?
Scepter of Sargeras quest. It turned out one of the demons there had the Eye of Dalaran, so Gul'dan sent people to get it. Warlock player killed them and the demon then took the Eye.
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Old 12-17-2017, 07:31 PM
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Gorshalasch is RPG only.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=152093/gorshalachs-legacy
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Old 12-18-2017, 12:35 AM
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Actually it's Gorribal that seems to be RPG only. Is it mentioned in any canon source? It would seem that Taeshalach has always been Aggramar's sword, and Gorshalach, Sargeras's.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:36 AM
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:30 AM
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At the end of Reign of Chaos, I assumed that Ner'zhul's goal was at the very least to achieve independence from the Burning Legion, and that fucking up their plan was at least a side benefit.

Through Frozen Throne I assumed that the Burning Legion would not tolerate the existence of an independent Lich King, either because he was actually a danger to them or just out of principle for his "treason" ( though it is strange they don't extend the same treatment to Illidan ).

From that point it would seems that, even if the Lich King was not already intending on getting some payback for what the Legion did to him, he would need to deal with them somehow.

But those are just assumptions. Is it stated clearly somewhere, in post Frozen Throne material what the end goal of Ner'zhul was ? Was he going to go on a Frozen Crusade of his own against the Burning Legion once the Scourge had taken over world ? Was he actually intending on conquering the world ?

Same goes for "Lich King Arthas".

Also, considering the fact that an army of undead actually require not dead things to turn them into undead, was there ever an hint on what was the plan for long term sustainability of the Scourge ? Leaving some settlement or "farm" of living creatures and "reap" them once in a while ? Invading other worlds ?
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Old 01-07-2018, 04:20 PM
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Also, considering the fact that an army of undead actually require not dead things to turn them into undead, was there ever an hint on what was the plan for long term sustainability of the Scourge ? Leaving some settlement or "farm" of living creatures and "reap" them once in a while ? Invading other worlds ?
I think the Lich King is strong enough to ward off decomposition of his undead minions indefinitely. Hence undeath being a form of immortality.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:58 PM
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Also the fact that the Legion didn't create the Scourge as anything else than a short term weapon against Azeroth.
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