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Old 08-26-2017, 08:29 PM
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4. You ignore all sense of scale and the way the groups are organized and behave.
Exactly like other communists groups that murder millions of people?
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:43 PM
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Exactly like other communists groups that murder millions of people?
We're not talking about them though, we're talking about Antifa and the KKK, nice attempt at "Whataboutism" though.
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:02 PM
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Someone needs to blast antifa with liberty prime quotes and Toby Keith's Proud to be an American.
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:05 PM
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Someone needs to blast antifa with liberty prime quotes and Toby Keith's Proud to be an American.
I'll compromise and allow Liberty Prime because I love that robot, but blasting Toby Keith is a fucking war crime.
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:10 PM
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Someone needs to blast antifa with liberty prime quotes and Toby Keith's Proud to be an American.
Hey, whoa now. I'm pretty sure torture is still illegal.
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:20 PM
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Hey, whoa now. I'm pretty sure torture is still illegal.
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Old 08-26-2017, 10:55 PM
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Old 08-27-2017, 02:09 AM
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You wish you knew you were free.
I have the dubious honor of being a Canadian country music fan, so we rarely get the "America, rah rah rah" songs on the radio up here (minus the once-a-week Top 40 thing that lets them slip through). I actually like Toby Keith as a singer. If you wanna play songs about "I'm on the radio now!", or "this bar is pretty great", or even "red plastic cups are neat", then fine.

But Toby Keith working the shaft? Pass.
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Old 08-27-2017, 03:36 AM
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Why don't you people let this thread die? Why don't you let anything die?
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Old 08-27-2017, 03:47 AM
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Why don't you people let this thread die? Why don't you let anything die?
There is potential here for a future redemption story, a fall-from-grace/turning-insane story, and making the thread into a raid boss story. And if, against all odds, this thread does die, we can always pull a resurrection story somehow, turn it into the hero we all need, and have it summon the Halls of Lordaeron to linger in the skies above SoL.
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:15 AM
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There is potential here for a future redemption story, a fall-from-grace/turning-insane story, and making the thread into a raid boss story. And if, against all odds, this thread does die, we can always pull a resurrection story somehow, turn it into the hero we all need, and have it summon the Halls of Lordaeron to linger in the skies above SoL.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:28 AM
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We're not talking about them though, we're talking about Antifa and the KKK, nice attempt at "Whataboutism" though.
Antifa are Communists. It's not really a complex idea nor Whataboutism. Antifa has all of the makings of every communist revolution to ever take place. The only matter is if our country can survive a communist revolution that one of the major political parties and news media supports.

I think not.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:51 AM
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Most communist revolutions arise from the working class so they have some sort of utility or ability that makes them a threat. In the US it is mostly college students that either hadn't had a job or only have had a service job. If they fought anyone that could defend themselves they would get BTFO. They would go up against the working class and the professional class. Socialism is almost hilarious that can't win the support of the working class. A lot of veterans had served during the cold war too so they wouldn't tolerate a communist take over. The US 2nd Amendment is also held in very high regard.

In communist countries the working class didn't remove the powerful capitalists and replace them with nothing. The politburo became the most powerful individuals in society which was probably not what the working class had in mind. There are a lot of jobs and professions that would be much more powerful and influential in a communist USA and that promise doesn't seem to be lost on the United States.
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Old 08-27-2017, 10:09 AM
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Antifa are Communists. It's not really a complex idea nor Whataboutism. Antifa has all of the makings of every communist revolution to ever take place. The only matter is if our country can survive a communist revolution that one of the major political parties and news media supports.

I think not.
I think you're giving them too much credit than they deserve.
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Old 08-27-2017, 10:50 AM
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Antifa are Communists. It's not really a complex idea nor Whataboutism. Antifa has all of the makings of every communist revolution to ever take place. The only matter is if our country can survive a communist revolution that one of the major political parties and news media supports.

I think not.
That's not what we're discussing though.

We're discussing whether Antifa is comparable to the KKK, and in no way, shape, or form, is it even remotely on the same scale, and there are important organizational and structural differences.

Whether Antifa is communist or not is besides the point, and the notion that if it were Communist it would somehow connect it to other communist group atrocities is fallacious reasoning.
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Old 08-27-2017, 04:04 PM
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I think you're giving them too much credit than they deserve.
They're pretty terrible people and are funded by some pretty terrible people. Plenty of reason to be cautious with them.

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That's not what we're discussing though.

We're discussing whether Antifa is comparable to the KKK, and in no way, shape, or form, is it even remotely on the same scale, and there are important organizational and structural differences.

Whether Antifa is communist or not is besides the point, and the notion that if it were Communist it would somehow connect it to other communist group atrocities is fallacious reasoning.
It's not there yet. It will get there. The KKK started as a Confederate meet up group.
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Old 08-27-2017, 04:26 PM
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If we don't oppose Antifa it could get a lot bigger and more threatening. It isn't respect for the rule of law or principals that are holding them back right now. It is their own capabilities and reach. Don't glorify them like some people have. Their methods are very unconstitutional and destructive. We respect the ballot so we don't have to respect the bullet and they don't seem to understand that.

Trump actually did condemn neo-nazis and white supremacists. You can't really say the same thing about antifa. It is telling when people are more concerned about political violence having acceptable targets than they are about the actual political violence.
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Old 08-27-2017, 04:53 PM
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Should we have never allied with communists to beat nazis the first time? Or should we have gone through with Operation Unthinkable?
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:43 PM
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If a white blonde baby is a Nazi or white supremacist then there is no hope for me to reconcile with these kind of people.
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:01 PM
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If a white blonde baby is a Nazi or white supremacist then there is no hope for me to reconcile with these kind of people.
I don't get it. Are they calling themselves out for wanting blonde, blue-eyed children, and telling people to come at them? Or is it saying that wanting blonde, blue-eyed children is racist? Or what?
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:07 PM
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I don't get it. Are they calling themselves out for wanting blonde, blue-eyed children, and telling people to come at them? Or is it saying that wanting blonde, blue-eyed children is racist? Or what?
I think they just shared it originally to have a picture of a baby and their followers pointed out that they were promoting white supremacy and they capitulated and apologized.
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:15 PM
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I think they just shared it originally to have a picture of a baby and their followers pointed out that they were promoting white supremacy and they capitulated and apologized.
I guess it probably was white supremacy, but damn, it kind of sucks that a picture of a child can't be posted without people immediately zooming in on race.
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:22 PM
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:31 PM
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I guess it probably was white supremacy, but damn, it kind of sucks that a picture of a child can't be posted without people immediately zooming in on race.
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:56 PM
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Thanks. You're pretty cool for, one of the bad guys.
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