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Old 08-24-2013, 11:11 AM
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Angry Tom Chilton and Cory Stockton: Character model reworks 25% done

I already made this thread on the MMO-Champion forums, but:


http://i.wow.joystiq.com/2013/08/24/...k-25-complete/


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Speaking to Tom Chilton and Cory Stockton this morning, the question came up of the character model rework. Unusually, these guys actually seemed happy to give us quite a lot of information about where they were going with the character models. Most notably, when pushed, they let us know that the percentage completion of the new character models was as follows:

Originally Posted by Tom Chilton:
"Um, 20% maybe?"

Originally Posted by Cory Stockton:
"Yeah 25%, maybe 25. That could be a safe number."

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"But yeah, there's a long way to go. And I also don't know that, when we launch the new character models, I don't know that they'll all be done at the same time. We'll probably have a good number of them done, and we'll launch those, and we'll continue to update more throughout the patch cycle. We figure players would rather have some earlier than wait forever until they're all done. Not forever but, a longer time. Might feel forever. Blizzard soon."



There is only one thing I can say: You gotta be ***** kidding me. Serious?



Well, there goes any chance for the updates next expansion. All of us overestimated the advancements in the process, so yeah. Great.
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Faction war can be done well, but Blizzard has half assed it and it has predictably flopped as a result.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:14 AM
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I don't blame them. They have to be very careful with the models unless they want to see the biggest shit storm of the century.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:16 AM
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No wonder they didn't want to say anything about them.
Damn, some thought they'd get them during MoP, and now, they won't even see them all in the next expansion's launch.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:18 AM
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I don't blame them. They have to be very careful with the models unless they want to see the biggest shit storm of the century.

People will shitstorm anyway, that's why Ghostcrawler said they'd likely offer the option to take the old model.



The "we can take millions of years because else a vocal minority will be mean to us" excuse is not one they can hide behind when in truth, if this is really the case and they've done 25%, they've done one new race since the launch of MoP until now. (they said dwarves were done or nearly done before MoP)



That's just shameful.
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At this point, I agree.

Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

Faction war can be done well, but Blizzard has half assed it and it has predictably flopped as a result.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:19 AM
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25%?

How long have they been freaking working on these?

Bloody dragonmaw look smoother than player orcs.


Hell Virmen look smoother than vanilla races.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:21 AM
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Garrosh needs another model guys.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:22 AM
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25%?

How long have they been freaking working on these?

Bloody dragonmaw look smoother than player orcs.


Hell Virmen look smoother than vanilla races.

According to them, they've been working since a bit past 4.3 and they said they were very far in/nearly done with dwarves at MoP launch. So if the 25%-thing excludes draenei, then that means that since MoP launch up to now, they've cleaned up the work on one race that was mostly done and finished one more race.
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At this point, I agree.

Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

Faction war can be done well, but Blizzard has half assed it and it has predictably flopped as a result.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:30 AM
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If they're doing something like that, there's a possibility they're reworking the way geosets work on character models to be more similar to those in newer models, such as the Zandalari, where each armor piece actually has a model instead of just being a texture.

I can see the significant ammount of time spent on that.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:30 AM
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25%?

How long have they been freaking working on these?

Bloody dragonmaw look smoother than player orcs.


Hell Virmen look smoother than vanilla races.
Would you rather have new models or new zones?
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:32 AM
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I don't blame them. They have to be very careful with the models unless they want to see the biggest shit storm of the century.
We all know that there will be retards throwing a fuss no matter what the new models look like (even some model as detailed as the orcs one, if Garrosh use it, will get a shit storm). Mark my words.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:35 AM
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Garrosh needs another model guys.
Anduin's probably a year older by now, so he needs a new model!
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:41 AM
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Anduin's probably a year older by now, so he needs a new model!
I could totally see Blizzard doing it. I mean, didn't the Brat get a new model during MoP ?
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:44 AM
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Would you rather have new models or new zones?
New models.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:48 AM
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So.. 6 more years guys! Then we'll have our new models, totally early! Blizzard couldn't have been working faster than that!
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At this point, I agree.

Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

Faction war can be done well, but Blizzard has half assed it and it has predictably flopped as a result.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:48 AM
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New models.
Too bad Blizzard chose for you.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:00 PM
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So 12 races both with two sexes 25% done, that's 6 units. It's been about a year since they said dwarves are done, I wouldn't expect these any time soon... They have finished 3 while providing some pretty weak content patches and presumably working on a new expansion.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:01 PM
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I, for one, am kinda glad they're taking their time with it - no matter how badly I want the new models.

There's a lot of potential for this to go horribly, horribly wrong.

Remember the time they changed human female eyes or blinking or something like that? It was actually a fix for a bug or something that had lasted forever but I remember there was incredible complaining because now people's characters were suddenly different.

And then there was the change in design for worgen player models. That still produces "bring back original version plz" threads all the time.

It's no wonder Blizz is taking their sweet, precious time with this. If it isn't just right there will be even more tears and complaining and gnashing of teeth and complaints of Horde bias than there will be regardless.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:02 PM
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I don't know what to say about this really... I still think they will come with the next expansion if they are thinking about releasing some then doing others later. I am insanely confused at how difficult it is for them when they have so much money and put even more staff into WoW... Other MMO's are doing more in a smaller amount of time with probably less people >.<.

I think they were willing to tell us only because they know people expect them next expansion. They need to get these done sooner and take the route of showing us the new models on major characters first (like hopefully Garrosh) so people can react to them.

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Old 08-24-2013, 12:02 PM
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So 12 races both with two sexes 25% done, that's 6 units. It's been about a year since they said dwarves are done, I wouldn't expect these any time soon... They have finished 3 while providing some pretty weak content patches and presumably working on a new expansion.

Actually, I think the vanilla and TBC race updated are separate here. Don't quote me on that, but they said they'd do the TBC race updates later than the vanilla ones, so it's more like 8 models, and they were done with dwarves around MoP launch.


That means 4 models from end Cata-now and 2 models from 5.0-now.
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At this point, I agree.

Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

Faction war can be done well, but Blizzard has half assed it and it has predictably flopped as a result.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:05 PM
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Well, at least we'll have the Dwarf model next expac. As for the other one that's probably done, I could see it being the Orc or Troll model. Maybe Human.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:08 PM
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25%?

How long have they been freaking working on these?

Bloody dragonmaw look smoother than player orcs.


Hell Virmen look smoother than vanilla races.
Updating something old is far more difficult than making something new.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:09 PM
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Hope they show us some screenshots at blizzcon, and then publish the WIP ones for the other patches.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:11 PM
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This is interesting. I for one thought that their big draw for next expansion would be new updated player models. Unless the next expansion has some ground breaking stuff besides new races/class/zones/level cap I can see the subscriptions dropping even further. here's hoping for dance studio/path of the titans
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:15 PM
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Yeah i totally see them bring back the Annual Pass after this info for sure... With the Diablo expansion coming it will give us that along with in game items in Diablo 3, WoW, Starcraft 2 and Hearthstone.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:23 PM
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Well, at least we'll have the Dwarf model next expac. As for the other one that's probably done, I could see it being the Orc or Troll model. Maybe Human.
I think they said at the last Blizzcon that they had the new orcs and dwarves already done? Will have to look it up.
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