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Old 12-05-2017, 08:34 PM
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Thrall's shamanism is about as authentic as Mormonism. There's a lot of Tauren spirituality mixed in (it's run by the Earthen ring, they venerate spirits like lo'gosh, etc). It's syncretic at best and revisionist at worst.
Closest thing I can think of is that his brand of shamanism is probably heavily Frostwolf-biased, with perhaps a smattering of pre-voided Shadowmoon, since going to Draenor showed us that they're the only two clans whose flavor of spiritual reverence seemed to remotely approach that of the tauren.

It's hard to completely blame him, though; arguably from as far back as Grom's admission in WC3 of damning the orcs willingly along with the other chieftains, it's become increasingly evident that Thrall's education about his own people's roots came from some extremely biased narrators who were skewing things specifically to undo the damage done by their reliance on the fel rather than directly reproduce orcish society as it used to be. Hence his erroneous belief upon finding the Mag'har that they somehow represented this idealized, "pure" orcish standard; little did he suspect at the time that since hardly any of those Mag'har were Frostwolves, they would be more inclined when given the chance to emulate the practices of other, far more vicious clans.

The Frostwolves were basically the one clan who escaped corruption, so it stands to reason that Drek'thar and Doomhammer would treat their example like a tailor-made panacea for reversing what the orcs had become under the effects of the. Unfortunately it was an imperfect solution, in no small part because with the Warsongs around one of the most aggressive and spiritually indifferent clans had survived intact, providing a dangerous counter-example that more closely and tantalizingly resembled most of the orcs' clans of origin.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:56 AM
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Thrall's shamanism is about as authentic as Mormonism. There's a lot of Tauren spirituality mixed in (it's run by the Earthen ring, they venerate spirits like lo'gosh, etc). It's syncretic at best and revisionist at worst.
Unsurprsingly, you are being disingenuous in your interpretation of Thrall (a Warcraft revisionist in your own right). Thrall's shamanism comes directly from his tutelage under Drek'thar and the Frostwolves, though he is undoubtedly also influenced by tauren spirituality as an unbroken model of shamanism. However, his understanding of the ubiquity of Frostwolf shamanism does come from a misunderstanding of orc society as taught by historical revisionists (e.g., Grom, Orgrim).

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Closest thing I can think of is that his brand of shamanism is probably heavily Frostwolf-biased, with perhaps a smattering of pre-voided Shadowmoon, since going to Draenor showed us that they're the only two clans whose flavor of spiritual reverence seemed to remotely approach that of the tauren.
I would also suggest that the Bleeding Hallow clan have some degree of shamanistic spirituality similar to tauren (and trolls, for that matter), but it's closer to some of the other non-Bloodhoof-centric tauren clans.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:10 AM
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But...this thread proves the exact opposite?
The issue is the whole question is constructed in a very purposeful manner, and as such, the results are not exactly representative. In the end, the only result that can be safely deduced is that a large majority of the local people does not love Thrall. However, love is one of the two extremes on the whole positive-negative scale, so this data does not really tell you what percentage is negative towards Thrall, what is neutral, what is positive at all.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:19 AM
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However, love is one of the two extremes on the whole positive-negative scale, so this data does not really tell you what percentage is negative towards Thrall, what is neutral, what is positive at all.
Yeah, that's kind of the point. I guess you didn't notice Tora-senpai's thread.
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