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Old 08-30-2013, 02:55 AM
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Well I've shared my hopes over this before, so frequent posters forgive the cyclic nature of my BE dreaming.

In short it comes down to two things:

1) It removes the BE race as a whole from their comfort zone, they can no longer keep the theme of "great specialists who do the job and go home" because leading the Horde is a much more engaging affair. They would have to remain in the spotlight, working with all other factions of the Horde, these interactions will challenge them, make them grow and most importantly create unique and interesting story moments. It will be that key moment of integration with the rest of the Horde... by becoming the leaders of it.

2) Lor'themmar has the potential to be a crafty politician, just what the Horde needs to reestablish itself but more importantly what the setting needs to stop being so damn corny. At the same time he is struggling with this, the decisions he has to make as a leader clash with his sense of honor, which means he won't go overboard and the Horde players won't deal with having an asshole leader for several expansions.

He can be that cunning guy who screws over the Horde's rivals in a polite, diplomatic manner while staying true to his faction, to be blunt, a "fuck yeah" kinda guy who inspires the Horde with his clever political moves, it is been to long since the Horde had such feelings. Initially I also see him being very blood elf biased, leading to them taking more power and some friction with other Horde nations, overtime he may come to see most of the Horde as his people and act accordingly but at least initially this will be his flaw (or one of them).
When you put it all together it becomes a really compelling package and one worth exploring in my humble opinion.

Now snap out of it! The next Warchief will be Vol'jin, don't let the dream overcome you.
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Old 08-30-2013, 03:15 AM
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I tend to agree with everything you have said there C9H20.

And ok, I shall go sit in a corner and mumble to myself.

Blugh, Voljin
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:14 AM
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Kael'thas for Warchief 2014
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:15 AM
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I wonder if Basic Campfire has enough funds left over for a second campaign...
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:19 AM
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Would be interesting to see how he'd act in the whole Garrosh situation.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:50 PM
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So, My fan-wank cannot be contained.

So tell me, what do you think would be the future of the Horde if good ol'Lor'themar becomes warchief?
No idea about the Horde but i'd shut up about any flaw the game currently has for the entirety of the next expansion, filling my tummy with booze and enjoying the fact that our leader isn't freeballing it.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:24 PM
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I would abandon the Horde in a second.

Lor'Themar is a politician, but he has been considering joining up with Varian. That alone should disqualify him from Warchief. He has no love for the Horde. He's just there for his people.

I can't imagine him calling a troll, tauren or orc his brother.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:33 PM
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If Warchief Lor'themar and High King Varian could actually conclude an alliance between the two superpowers, I'd have to take back most of the nasty things I've said.

Fortunately, it can't happen.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:40 PM
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I don't know, I'm not sure if Lor'thermar could be committed to the Horde in that way. I think he'll take whatever alliance is convenient for him and his people, whether it be Horde, Allaince or Neutral and really, doesn't give two shits about the faction war. Putting him at the head of the Horde eliminates that possibility for him.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:11 AM
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Lor'thremar bowed to Vol'jin...

That was nearly a deal breaker

Call me blizzard when you hire some writers who know what the fuck they are doing.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:17 AM
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Lor'thremar bowed to Vol'jin...

That was nearly a deal breaker

Call me blizzard when you hire some writers who know what the fuck they are doing.
Hey, even Sylvanas did it.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:24 AM
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Lor'thremar bowed to Vol'jin...

That was nearly a deal breaker

Call me blizzard when you hire some writers who know what the fuck they are doing.
Oh noes? Lor'themar politely bowed to his direct superior in rank?
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:29 AM
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No, Sylvanas inclined her head - a little- Lor'thremar got a geeky little crappy bow... And what is with him wearing incorrect gear, and his model and the priest belt?

Omg blizz, all my rage!

Edit: He looked like he pooped himself!
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:31 AM
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No, Sylvanas inclined her head - a little- Lor'thremar got a geeky little crappy bow... And what is with him wearing incorrect gear, and his model and the priest belt?

Omg blizz, all my rage!
And Sylvanas is established as having the prime distinction of being a bitch, whereas Lor'themar isn't.

Unless you're being sarcastic.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:33 AM
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I can see a pretty awesome narrative where Lor'themar, who has spent hundreds if not thousands of years fighting with the forest trolls, comes to recognize that THIS troll, this Vol'jin, is one worthy of following.

I can also see a narrative where Lor'themar, who is already struggling with leading the sin'dorei on the road to recovery, is fine with some flea-ridden troll leading the dusty strinking 'Horde' if it means he (Lor'themar) is free to focus on his people.

I can also see the narrative where maybe the story doesn't have to be about the pretty motherfucker getting to order the slope-skulled savages around.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:36 AM
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And Sylvanas is established as having the prime distinction of being a bitch, whereas Lor'themar isn't.

Unless you're being sarcastic.
I'm not, having the racial leader -who fought against trolls for most of his life- take a tusk from Vol'jin is terrible. It makes for bad writing, again.

Just makes it clear that that lore means little any more, its all about PVE/PVP. I mean, they couldn't even be bothered to put him in the right gear. Nor give him the right model.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:42 AM
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I can see a pretty awesome narrative where Lor'themar, who has spent hundreds if not thousands of years fighting with the forest trolls, comes to recognize that THIS troll, this Vol'jin, is one worthy of following.

I can also see a narrative where Lor'themar, who is already struggling with leading the sin'dorei on the road to recovery, is fine with some flea-ridden troll leading the dusty strinking 'Horde' if it means he (Lor'themar) is free to focus on his people.

I can also see the narrative where maybe the story doesn't have to be about the pretty motherfucker getting to order the slope-skulled savages around.
Granted you have perfectly valid points, ones I do not deny; yet the gesture was.. cringe worthy.

For a person to turncoat so quickly after war just... seems... weak. And Lorth is not weak by any means.

Ah, the pretty comment hadn't seen that in a while, pretty irrelevant my friend.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:53 AM
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I'm not, having the racial leader -who fought against trolls for most of his life- take a tusk from Vol'jin is terrible. It makes for bad writing, again.

Just makes it clear that that lore means little any more, its all about PVE/PVP. I mean, they couldn't even be bothered to put him in the right gear. Nor give him the right model.
Different Trolls. This tribe's spent more time helping the Blood Elves than fighting them, by virtue of having never fought them.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:55 AM
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Granted you have perfectly valid points, ones I do not deny; yet the gesture was.. cringe worthy.

For a person to turncoat so quickly after war just... seems... weak. And Lorth is not weak by any means.

Ah, the pretty comment hadn't seen that in a while, pretty irrelevant my friend.
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*shrug*

My point is that there are plenty of narratives that would have justified Lor'themar taking the Warchief job, but there are also plenty that justify him not taking it.

The part where you don't like the narrative path that Blizzard chose doesn't mean they aren't skilled writers. It means you disagree with their choice. (Of note: there are all kinds of other, more valid reasons to accuse CDev of being bad writers.)
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:03 AM
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*shrug*

My point is that there are plenty of narratives that would have justified Lor'themar taking the Warchief job, but there are also plenty that justify him not taking it.

The part where you don't like the narrative path that Blizzard chose doesn't mean they aren't skilled writers. It means you disagree with their choice. (Of note: there are all kinds of other, more valid reasons to accuse CDev of being bad writers.)
No! I know, I am not unintelligent.Alas, I was ranting at the bow, and anyone who knew Lorth's character would not have had him bow.

It makes me feel any characterization and individuality my favorite race has is lost with that bow. Want BC Blood Elves back...
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:43 PM
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No! I know, I am not unintelligent.Alas, I was ranting at the bow, and anyone who knew Lorth's character would not have had him bow.

It makes me feel any characterization and individuality my favorite race has is lost with that bow. Want BC Blood Elves back...
How would he have acknowledged Vol'jin then? Like it or not, Vol'jin is the Horde leader and a bow is an acceptable way of showing it.
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:32 PM
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He'll enter secret talks with Varian about total surrender but ends up getting ousted by Sylvanas via Mak'gora before his plans come to fruition .
Dammit, you beat me to it...
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:36 PM
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I must admit that seeing Lor'Theron bow to that Troll filth was annoying.
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