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Old 03-15-2016, 09:31 AM
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Loken fooled Ulduar into thinking he was the Prime Designate and I guess he added the rest of the false info to throw off his scent.
Oh so that was from him screwing around not him becoming Prime after Helya trapped Odyn in Valhalla?
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Old 03-15-2016, 09:34 AM
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Oh so that was from him screwing around not him becoming Prime after Helya trapped Odyn in Valhalla?
Yeah. Loken became Prime Designate because he hacked Ulduar. And the Tribunal of Ages was a forged replacement for the Discs of Norgannon that Tyr and co. stealed.
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Yeah. Loken became Prime Designate because he hacked Ulduar. And the Tribunal of Ages was a forged replacement for the Discs of Norgannon that Tyr and co. stealed.
Still strikes me as weird he'd need the tribunal to say random stuff about the aesir/vanir (Do the vanir even exist anymore?)

I can sort of understand why he'd need replacement discs.
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Old 03-15-2016, 09:42 AM
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Still strikes me as weird he'd need the tribunal to say random stuff about the aesir/vanir (Do the vanir even exist anymore?)

I can sort of understand why he'd need replacement discs.
Aesir and vanir are mentioned once, explaining that they're the two types of keepers, but its never clarified which keepers are meant to be which.
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:03 AM
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Aesir and vanir are mentioned once, explaining that they're the two types of keepers, but its never clarified which keepers are meant to be which.
You sure about that? Didn't the book mention Thorim or something being iron?
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Still strikes me as weird he'd need the tribunal to say random stuff about the aesir/vanir (Do the vanir even exist anymore?)

I can sort of understand why he'd need replacement discs.
Aesir and vanir were the two types of titan forged that the Titans employed against the Old Gods' empire. The Keepers were chosen from among them but I don't know if it's ever mentioned which Keeper came from which type. Though I suppose some are obvious, like Tyr and Odyn being aesir.

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You sure about that? Didn't the book mention Thorim or something being iron?
I'm fairly sure Tyr and Odyn are mentioned as being metalic. I think it's mentioned during their fight with Ragnaros.
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:33 AM
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Aesir use lighting and vanir use earth as their base powers, afaik. Thorim, Hodir and Ra are definitely aesir. Loken probably too, based on the spells he uses.
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Aesir and vanir were the two types of titan forged that the Titans employed against the Old Gods' empire.

The Keepers were chosen from among them but I don't know if it's ever mentioned which Keeper came from which type. Though I suppose some are obvious, like Tyr and Odyn being aesir.
Yeah that much was in the old lore, my concern is this trend Blizzard has been in for awhile of having these groups and divisions created initially... and then they stop mattering or are retconned or fused later on.
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:43 AM
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Aesir use lighting and vanir use earth as their base powers, afaik. Thorim, Hodir and Ra are definitely aesir. Loken probably too, based on the spells he uses.
That would leave only Freya, Archeades and possibly Mimiron as vanir, I think?

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Yeah that much was in the old lore, my concern is this trend Blizzard has been in for awhile of having these groups and divisions created initially... and then they stop mattering or are retconned or fused later on.
That'd be a shame, yeah.
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That would leave only Freya, Archeades and possibly Mimiron as vanir, I think?



That'd be a shame, yeah.
Those few Vanir also make me worry about the remaining option Blizz takes.

One version of the groups is plainly inferior / underrepresented compared to the other.
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Those few Vanir also make me worry about the remaining option Blizz takes.

One version of the groups is plainly inferior / underrepresented compared to the other.
To compensate, the Pantheon obviously only chose vanir for the second gen keepers.
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It's probably not important, but is it ever stated which keepers did Norgannon and Golganneth try to get inside of(giggity)?
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Old 03-15-2016, 11:11 AM
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It's a shame that none of the males had female keepers. Imagine the results if the soul transfer had worked.
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It's a shame that none of the males had female keepers. Imagine the results if the soul transfer had worked.
That's a can of worms I don't think Blizz can handle tactfully.
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Old 03-15-2016, 06:35 PM
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Those few Vanir also make me worry about the remaining option Blizz takes.

One version of the groups is plainly inferior / underrepresented compared to the other.
Arent Freya and Frey like the only vanir in norse myth?
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Arent Freya and Frey like the only vanir in norse myth?
And Njordr, the sea god.
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Old 03-16-2016, 11:02 AM
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If I understood what I've read so far correctly, the original titan-forged are considered giants, just like the anubisaths. In other words, it is possible that the animal-headed keepers of Uldum are anubisath-type giants, as well as second gen keepers.

Since the anubisaths are made out of stone, would that add at least three more vanir? I'd say no, since anubisath seems to be a classification that's on the same level as vanir and aesir. Just another type of giant.

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A little sad the original sea giants were given the same look they have now

Nixes my thought of Sea Giants we'd seen so far being the dregs after the Naga destroyed their civilization underwater.


Do they ever touch on Gymir or the Storm Giants or why they're in junk-clothes instead of titan-gear?
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did they confirm where sea giants came from? I was confused by the wording
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did they confirm where sea giants came from? I was confused by the wording
They said that they were conscripted, which implies that they predated the Forge of Wills and are members of the aesir or vanir giant race. On the other hand, the list that said that contained only second generation titanforged (if we exclude the dubious giants), so it's likely that they were second generation titanforged too and that "conscripted" just means forged, in this case.

I'm leaning more towards the latter, although the way Chronicle is written also makes it seem possible that storm and frost giants are first generation, aesir titanforged.
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They said that they were conscripted, which implies that they predated the Forge of Wills and are members of the aesir or vanir giant race. On the other hand, the list that said that contained only second generation titanforged (if we exclude the dubious giants), so it's likely that they were second generation titanforged too and that "conscripted" just means forged, in this case.

I'm leaning more towards the latter, although the way Chronicle is written also makes it seem possible that storm and frost giants are first generation, aesir titanforged.
yeah it was the use of conscripted that leaves me wondering if the sea giants were non titan created but I feel that would have been mentioned as well
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yeah it was the use of conscripted that leaves me wondering if the sea giants were non titan created but I feel that would have been mentioned as well
Yeah, and since there was no life on Azeroth before them, besides elementals, OGs and their minions, they must be titanforged.
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It's something that i always wondered:
  • We know that mountain giants can become colossi when they get "cursed" (there's a quest on this);
  • We know that colossi are almost identical to stone elementals (as the ones we see inside deepholm);
  • We know that iron dwarves (and, maybe, the earthen), can craft colossi from rocks (as seen inside halls of stone);
  • We know that colossi can get corrupted and become fungal giants (inside deepholm again);

What if the keepers, when creating the giants, used or craft some elementals (stone elementals, colossi, etc) and improved them with the Forge of Wills?

That could explain why they have some identical models and seams to have both elemental and titanic properties.
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It's something that i always wondered:
  • We know that mountain giants can become colossi when they get "cursed" (there's a quest on this);
  • We know that colossi are almost identical to stone elementals (as the ones we see inside deepholm);
  • We know that iron dwarves (and, maybe, the earthen), can craft colossi from rocks (as seen inside halls of stone);
  • We know that colossi can get corrupted and become fungal giants (inside deepholm again);

What if the keepers, when creating the giants, used or craft some elementals (stone elementals, colossi, etc) and improved them with the Forge of Wills?

That could explain why they have some identical models and seams to have both elemental and titanic properties.
I think that those mountain/stone giants are either titan-made elementals or pacifist elementals who were conscripted by the keepers, instead of being titanforged. The more humanoid stone giants like Archavon, on the other hand, should be titanforged, of course.
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