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Old 05-05-2015, 10:21 AM
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All of this could have been avoided if they'd included the best Avenger, instead of pretending that Ms. Superspy-Has-No-Powers-Just-Sex-Appeal is important.
That would've required treating Pym and his cast like they were important. Which only recently Marvel decided it had enough money to risk doing.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:06 AM
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All of this could have been avoided if they'd included the best Avenger, instead of pretending that Ms. Superspy-Has-No-Powers-Just-Sex-Appeal is important.
Hank Pym proves that being able to shrink actually makes you less useful than someone who has no powers at all. There's 40 years of books to back it up.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:08 AM
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Hank Pym proves that being able to shrink actually makes you less useful than someone who has no powers at all. There's 40 years of books to back it up.
He means Wasp, not Ant-man/Giant-Man/Goliath/Yellowjacket/Wasp
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:41 AM
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He means Wasp, not Ant-man/Giant-Man/Goliath/Yellowjacket/Wasp
So why didn't they go with Hank Pym for the Ant-Man movie? Why should I care about that other guy?
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:47 AM
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This amused me to no end.

You can't name a guy in Hollywood who writes/directs better female leads, and that wasn't good enough for them.

Joss Whedon wasn't good enough for the feminazi SJW crowd.

You really can't please some people.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this backlash is an answer to his bullshit about the Black Widow Slut-thing (and he MIGHT have said the short revealed scene from Jurassic World where Owen and SciFiBobgirl are talking was sexist, apparently simply because it involved talking about fucking for a whopping two or three seconds. Might have been someone else who's usually a feminist though, I'mma gonna check my source on this one later). There's SJWing and then there's not getting a joke.


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Weird, his Marvel movies didn't show it.
Well that too. I dunno if he has any word to speak in terms of merchandise or what movies get made; as far as i understand it they hand him a release date and tell him to print them money. All i can say about Black Widow is that she's a strange case of a seriously underpowered character who drags superpowered Cap A with him because of a need to make her an equal team mate when, realistically, she is not. Sure she could kick the collective asses of 99 percent of all males out there... but she's in the same movie as the Hulk (who is strongest one there is), Captain America (who's the human peak performance personified), Iron Man (who's weaker physically but smart enough to take on the Hulk with his power suit), a literal God-Alien (Ancient Astronauts probably had a field day with this one) and a guy with bow and arrows who's more stationary than her but at least can target more enemies. So i have to ask - tits and ass aside, why is this woman on the team instead of leading Agents of Shield (which i presume has mostly human cast members)? If you HAVE to have a woman on the team (and while we're at it: why not two? Why not three?) was there really no other female hero with some actual superpowers or gadgets you could have chosen? I mean ffs she and Hawkeye seem to exists solely to make Captain America look good and give him someone to shout orders at. Nobody in these movies' production teams gives a flying fuck about continuity so that's not an issue here. WHY Black Widow? If you HAVE to use Black Widow, where's her Iron Lady suit?

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Old 05-05-2015, 11:48 AM
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:51 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this backlash is an answer to his bullshit about the Black Widow Slut-thing (and he MIGHT have said the short revealed scene from Jurassic World where Owen and SciFiBobgirl are talking was sexist, apparently simply because it involved talking about fucking for a whopping two or three seconds. Might have been someone else who's usually a feminist though, I'mma gonna check my source on this one later). There's SJWing and then there's not getting a joke.
Nah, his Jurassic World comment was based on the fact that the female character was "rigid and cold" and had to be "warmed up and let loose" by the dashing rogue male character, harking back to stereotypes in movies from the 60s and 70s. More or less, I remember reading it. Had nothing to do with anyone mentioning sex.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:55 AM
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Nah, his Jurassic World comment was based on the fact that the female character was "rigid and cold" and had to be "warmed up and let loose" by the dashing rogue male character, harking back to stereotypes in movies from the 60s and 70s. More or less, I remember reading it. Had nothing to do with anyone mentioning sex.
Yeah again, it was dumb of him to say that; the scene goes there a little bit but only in comparison to raptors.

Ah.


Real Lif... shit... CGI Raptors, that is, not the SoL version. At first he doesn't relate any of this to her, he's just talking about the rap... i'm preaching to the choir, aren't i.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:55 AM
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Well, there ya go.



There are two Infinity Gauntlets in the MCU.
Infinity armour. PLS.
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Why's it called the infinity gauntlet when there's only two of them?
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:59 AM
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Why's it called the infinity gauntlet when there's only two of them?
Because it's not one of the infinite gauntlets.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:59 AM
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So why didn't they go with Hank Pym for the Ant-Man movie? Why should I care about that other guy?
Hank Pym's most iconic moment is slapping his girlfriend during a mental breakdown. His second most iconic moment is building a killer robot during a mental breakdown. He's an interesting character, and I think very poorly handled by most writers, but he's not exactly what you expect when you go watch a movie about a guy called ant-man.

Scott Lang, on the other hand, is best known for being a really dang fun character.
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Old 05-05-2015, 12:00 PM
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Because it's not one of the infinite gauntlets.
I still call foul play.
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Old 05-05-2015, 12:12 PM
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Yeah again, it was dumb of him to say that; the scene goes there a little bit but only in comparison to raptors.

Ah.


Real Lif... shit... CGI Raptors, that is, not the SoL version. At first he doesn't relate any of this to her, he's just talking about the rap... i'm preaching to the choir, aren't i.
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Old 05-05-2015, 12:18 PM
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Hank Pym's most iconic moment is slapping his girlfriend during a mental breakdown.
Makes you wonder how Reed Richards got it off his resume so quickly.



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Old 05-05-2015, 01:11 PM
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So why didn't they go with Hank Pym for the Ant-Man movie? Why should I care about that other guy?
They are making Pym already part of the unvierse so his past will involve linking with other people. Scott Lang's humor is away more suiting to the MCU and is a criminal or ex-criminal. There is no chance they could have Hank Pym be Pym without all the bad he has done in this style of movie he would end up just like Lang so it is siimpler.
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Old 05-05-2015, 01:32 PM
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Makes you wonder how Reed Richards got it off his resume so quickly.
Two reasons why Pym got stuck with it, and the others didn't.

One; Richards and Parker got it off their resumes because they actually had stuff going on outside their issues. They have extensive and memorable rogues galleries, a ton of stories that involve them as central characters, and a rich social history that is well-known to comic book readers.

Hank Pym did not have that. While he'd eventually get Ultron and Taskmaster, Pym's rogue gallery at the time was just atrocious. Lemme tell you all of his villains from the first run:
-Comrade X: Russian man with bugspray
-The Protector: A jeweler who extorted other jewelers while wearing a really cool outfit under which he hid a strength-enhancing exo-skeleton. Probably the best member of his original rogue's gallery, and I'm pretty sure he never re-appeared.
-Egghead: An egghead who got hired by random thugs to kill ant-man after the government fired him because he was a dick.
-Scarlet Beetle: A RADIOACTIVE BEETLE.
-The Hijacker: A weapon salesman dressing up like a supervillain to rob himself. Cool-looking character, transplanted into the Thing's villain gallery.
-The Window Washer: An alien who disguised himself as a window washer to rob scientists
-A hypnotist beaten by laryngitis
-The mad master of time: Guy who got fired for being old and now makes everyone old!
-The Creature from Kosmos: A weird alien blob thing that killed the wasp's father.
-Cyclops: An alien cyclops.
-Another hypnotist.
-THE PORCUPINE, who wore a porcupine armour.
-THE HUMAN TOP, who spun around really really fast. Ant-man's arch-nemesis.
-The black knight. Actually really cool, transplanted into Iron Man's villain gallery
-A headbutting luchador.
-Yet Another Hypnotist
-A never-explained giant person.
-An army of super-intelligent soviet gorillas (I love comics)
-The wrecker: yet another shopkeeper posing as a supervillain
-Madam Macabre: A mage with the power of size manipulation (actually kinda interesting, but set up to be an enemy of the Wasp rather than Ant-man)

This had to be the single worst villain gallery in comics at the time. Not only is it a hodge-podge without rhyme or reason, not only was the comic constantly rehashing ideas for its enemies, but none of these guys actually had any kind of connection to Ant-man. They were just folks he occasionally fought, with no emotional connection to the character whatsoever.

As for connections with other characters? There are basically none. Ant-man had one big personal connection in his interaction with the wasp, and that was it. Heck, there's not even any recurring supporting characters in his original series, that's how limited the interaction with others was.


So, okay, that's reason number one. What's reason number two? Well, that reason is that ant-man was always a little... erm. His interactions with The Wasp in the early stories are really weirdly written, especially in the early pages of the avengers. His size-changing formulas always seemed to be putting him under weird pressures. He went through a lot of names in a relatively short amount of time. He was depressed because he was stuck as too tall for a long time. The Wasp needed to get away from things weirdly often. He was always drawn as looking kinda pained.

A lot of this is writing quirks from the time, but as a result of them, his mental breakdown kinda made sense in regards to his long character history. It genuinely seemed as if everything he had been doing had been leading up to that. And couple that with point one, and the writers finally had something to actually define Hank Pym as more than "the super-hero who grows tall".
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Old 05-05-2015, 01:38 PM
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-THE HUMAN TOP, who spun around really really fast. Ant-man's arch-nemesis.
But not Whirlwind?
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Old 05-05-2015, 01:48 PM
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But not Whirlwind?
Same guy.
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Old 05-05-2015, 01:52 PM
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:19 PM
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:23 PM
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To be fair, the safehouse sequence could have probably stood being shorter.


I agree with the rest of the "wuh?" though.
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:26 PM
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What's confusing you, exactly? The article's poking fun at the Marvel execs.

I also found the scene in question rather befuddling.
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What's confusing you, exactly?
That Disney thinks they know better than the guy who made one of THE most successfull movies in cinema history...

If i were them, i'd just keep throwing money at him and see what he comes up with.
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To be fair the only reason The Avengers got as big as it was was because of the marketing strategy that Whedon had nothing to do with. It's not like he's Pacific Rimjob 2's subtitle. Also since when are dream sequences counted as something positive these days?
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