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Old 05-10-2015, 01:04 AM
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Doing what he was made to do doesn't make him a victim.
Well he ISN'T doing what he was made for because of his scrambled programming. This is the problem; he doesn't have any motivation of his own, he's just defective. And then get's killed for it. Sure he had to be stopped but it's not his fault that he had to be stopped but Stark's and Banner's for being reckless. He's very much a tragic character in that regard.

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Old 05-10-2015, 02:40 AM
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So i managed to watch Age Of Ultron and because i'm not Bolvar 2.0 juuuust yet i'm not doing my own thread for my review.

Basically i felt like this was a dumb summer movie done right

That is all.
Could have stopped after that, I don't think this stuff deserves the hype or the amount of energy you gave it

As for the Black Widow line...to me it was perfectly obvious how it was meant, and people need to sit the fuck down and shut up.
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Old 05-10-2015, 03:01 AM
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BW is a boring character. Her introduction in IM2 was cringeworthy at best.
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Old 05-10-2015, 03:21 AM
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Well he ISN'T doing what he was made for because of his scrambled programming. This is the problem; he doesn't have any motivation of his own, he's just defective. And then get's killed for it. Sure he had to be stopped but it's not his fault that he had to be stopped but Stark's and Banner's for being reckless. He's very much a tragic character in that regard.
Well, we're not sure who programmed him initially, since the program was in the mind gem. It could have been working entirely according to purpose.

Which actually brings something to mind. The Ultron AI is recovered from the mind gem, which implies it's been there for a goshdang while. Tony Stark and Banner take absolutely no part in actually creating the AI at all. And yet, it seems to only consider itself having come into existence when it met Jarvis.
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Old 05-10-2015, 03:23 AM
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That's because they were only talking about a computer being in there and having to install software. It was basically the technomagicalmarvel version of an empty positronic brain. That software being the Ultron AI that seemed to exist before but in an unfinished state, probably because they didn't have a computer good enough to run it properly. Or they banked on the alien computer automatically completing it.
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Old 05-10-2015, 05:32 AM
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Yes, the Ultron AI was created before Tony and Bruce got their hands on Loki's cepter.
The mind gem simply provided the spark of life just as it later gave life to Vision.
When Vision and Ultron are talking, it's not the mind gem doing the talking. It's them.
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Old 05-10-2015, 05:59 AM
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So... Dum Dum Dugan's movie, when?
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:06 AM
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So... Dum Dum Dugan's movie, when?
Next year in AU-Earth. It's suppose to be huge. Some are saying that it will be bigger then the Agent Fury: Agent of H.A.M.E.R.
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:12 AM
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Am I the only one who thought black widow meant monster because of her past as a brutal assassin, and not for some SJW bs?
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:15 AM
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Am I the only one who thought Black Widow meant monster because of her past as a brutal assassin?
No. Like Rotal said, the line was handled badly, though. It's like she didn't know how to express herself correctly.
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:21 AM
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Am I the only one who thought black widow meant monster because of her past as a brutal assassin, and not for some SJW bs?
Nay, you aren't the only one. A lot of people I know and listen also made the same point about her calling herself a monster because the Russians turned her into a monster.

SJW need something to complain about or else they have no reason to exist.
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:22 AM
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Am I the only one who thought black widow meant monster because of her past as a brutal assassin, and not for some SJW bs?
It wasn't? I thought the same...
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:26 AM
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I have to ask (as someone who didn't see the movie), can Ultron even die? I mean, doesn't he have this Hivemind/gazillion-backups-of-his-program-and-personality thing going on?
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:29 AM
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I have to ask (as someone who didn't see the movie), can Ultron even die? I mean, doesn't he have this Hivemind/gazillion-backups-of-his-program-and-personality thing going on?
as they made a point of, they locked him out the internet, then smashed all his bodies.

wich I call bullshit on, because there was plenty of times where they tossed drones off the island.
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I have to ask (as someone who didn't see the movie), can Ultron even die? I mean, doesn't he have this Hivemind/gazillion-backups-of-his-program-and-personality thing going on?
They blocked his Internet access and killed all his robots, which according to them, was enough to get rid of him. He could still be out there, though.
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:34 AM
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If Ultron can survive time and time again in the comics then there is no way that he can't come back.

Heck, one time he actually put a copy of himself, before he was killed, into Iron Man's armor and then used that virus to rebuild himself and turn the armor and evidently Stark himself into a copy of Janet Van Dyne. That was very weird, to say the least...

Besides, we know that Tony built the "Bride of Ultron" Jocasta in the movie.
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:45 AM
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:47 AM
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Besides, we know that Tony built the "Bride of Ultron" Jocasta in the movie.
when was this?
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:48 AM
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Tony turned into a woman?
Yup, Ultron-19 which is a combination of the Iron Man suit, Tony Stark and Ultron. When Ultron was defeated, it reverted back to Iron Man and Tony didn't remember what had happened, but was suprised that he had been turned into a woman.



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when was this?
When he is going through his new AI files before he selects F.R.I.D.A.Y., you see Jocasta.
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:53 AM
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Yup, Ultron-19





When he is going through his new AI files before he selects F.R.I.D.A.Y., you see Jocasta.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:22 AM
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wich I call bullshit on, because there was plenty of times where they tossed drones off the island.
We do see The Vision go after one of those near the end, so they did think of that. It's left mildly ambiguous if the Vision actually killed that last one though.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:23 AM
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It's believable enough to say that he's dead, but they left enough room to say that he's still alive. It's comic writing 101. No real need to think about it.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:30 AM
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Yup, Ultron-19 which is a combination of the Iron Man suit, Tony Stark and Ultron. When Ultron was defeated, it reverted back to Iron Man and Tony didn't remember what had happened, but was suprised that he had been turned into a woman.
Ah, good old comic book stuff. Never change.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:43 AM
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Ah, good old comic book stuff. Never change.
That's pretty tame compared to what you saw in the Silver Age. Jimmy Olsen/Lois Lane and Superman operated on a whole another level of weird and strange.
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Old 05-10-2015, 07:56 AM
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That's pretty tame compared to what you saw in the Silver Age. Jimmy Olsen/Lois Lane and Superman operated on a whole another level of weird and strange.
Why do you know so much about this? This seems like Pink Hat territory. Are you a Pink Hat now? Fucking Hats.
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