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If they are so much smarter and better than everyone else they should be able to survive just fine without the tax payers supporting them right? There is a reason why the scientific method has an experiment stage instead of going straight from the hypothesis to circle jerking against everyone that disagrees with you. There has to be a more compelling justification than the fact that their biggest fans will berate you and deflect any sort of criticism with snide sarcasm if you call them out. If they are dependent on tax money then they are dependent on public support but they don't call them ivory towers for nothing.
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The government shouldn't be dumping cash on what's not productive enough. That includes education.
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That does raise an interesting point. As automation and technology increases, the need and frankly, incentive, to produce an intelligent constituency begins to vanish. It's very possible that we may back slide into an age of ignorance, and Government being in control of education might just promise it.
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The way it is in the US and Canada there isn't too much of an incentive for the state to control education too much. They give ya loans and then you pay out the ass for years in order to pay it off. It doesn't matter if the degree is a successful one or not you're still paying for the interest like a good little debtor. Now IIRC the way you have it in Germany is that the government pays for it BUT since the government pays for it they don't want you to get a useless degree and waste cash. Due to this, the German government encourages people to go for STEM and the humanities are heavily restricted. The American/Canadian system comes across as a scam which wants you to be a good little debt slave. The German system seems to be one which wants you to actually do something useful. Pretty sure the Germans also have it full funded by the state if your a citizen too. Goodbye gender studies degrees if the government thinks they are worthless among others. As it stands right now it feels like a Banker's scheme though. Also a dumb citizenry is an issue that will arrive but not for the reason people think. It's dysgenics silly. 
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But yeah, I get you. The problem is it doesn't matter if it's just a lot less employees to that scenario.
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I don't think money is the biggest barrier for people to get STEM degrees. It is the curriculum. Even private loaners would give you a loan for a STEM degree because you could easily pay it back. I like the idea that college cuts down on costs so you can pay it out of pocket or an employer would be willing to pay for it.
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Lockheed Martin CEO promises Trump she'll cut F-35 costs
Better to find cost savings here than screwing over a bunch of 20 year olds by making them work more hours, spend more time deployed, and shortchanging them especially when they are being sent into harms way!
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