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Old 01-12-2014, 11:43 PM
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So, which of these two characters do you like more?

For me, it was tough to decide, but I have to go with Spock. ALthough I have problems with the Vulcan race, who are arrogant and hypocritical, but at the same time, Spock was a extremely well written character, who mellowed out in the movies, and who had an excellent actor playing him. Data's good, but he got ruined in the TNG movies.
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Redshirt #354 was my favorite character.
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Data was a goddamned joke played by a sub-par actor.
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Silly internet, the obvious answer is seven of nine.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:04 AM
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I wouldnt call Brent Spiner sub-par, nor would I call Data a joke. Spiner may not be a Nimoy or a Patrick Stewart but seriously, he was competent enough.
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Silly internet, the obvious answer is seven of nine.
Wouldn't the Doctor be the better Data-analogue (rip off) in Voyager's case?
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Old 01-13-2014, 04:58 PM
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Anything TNG > Anything TOS
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How could any of you not vote for the father off the "Life Forms" song?
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Old 01-14-2014, 02:37 AM
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Data/Yar is best pairing. I demand TNG Remastered to retcon Tasha's death and insert her (and AT-STs) into TNG.
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Old 01-14-2014, 04:07 AM
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Anything TNG > Anything TOS
I must disagree with you on this. For me, the average TNG cast member was better than the average TOS cast member, but the TOS main cast was on average better than the TNG one. Kirk and Picard are equally good, imo, but Spock>Riker, Data or Worf and McCoy>Crusher and Pulaski.
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Wouldn't the Doctor be the better Data-analogue (rip off) in Voyager's case?
I was thinking more of the actual position as science officer. That puts the race between:
  • Spock
  • Data
  • Dax
  • Seven of Nine
  • T'pol
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I was thinking more of the actual position as science officer. That puts the race between:
  • Spock
  • Data
  • Dax
  • Seven of Nine
  • T'pol
Data is the Operation's Manager on Enterprise, though, not "the" Science Officer. That's usually one of the blueshirts in the background. He just gets called for sciency stuff because he's got a brain the size of a planet, and, thus, is better at it than most other alternatives. Compare how no show except TNG and 7th season DS9 ever show a councelor. I'd arguably say Enterprise D doesn't really HAS a dedicated Science Officer - even when Data is missing they don't assign another blueshirt like they do whenever there is no Security Chief or First Officer. He's also not wearing blue. Will look into it if he's got both positions officially, but i doubt it.
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Mem Alpha has him listed as science officer.

Though, even if he wasn't the science officer, he's still fulfilling the role.
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I'm sure a wiki-database that'd allow me to go ahead and change that if i wanted to is a very trustworthy source. While i may be wrong about his duties he is not wearing Science colors, has not been adressed as Science Officer on screen to the best of my recollection and considering the alternative is a wiki that can be edited by everyone i'll stick to my gut feeling.
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Old 01-15-2014, 02:49 AM
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Memory Alpha is a very reliable wiki. It references most of the stuff it says. Currently my favourite non-wikipedia wiki.

Data was the science officer for one episode, 'We'll Always Have Paris'. Apparently, a guy named Swenson was the regular one, and Data took over the role for one episode.
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This picture right here should be sufficient to end this argument in favour of the android once and for all.


Also i'm getting real tired of having almost all threads on the first page either be political ones, religious ones or tainted with both. Why can't you people just masturbate, like the rest of us?*


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Data is the Operation's Manager on Enterprise, though, not "the" Science Officer. That's usually one of the blueshirts in the background. He just gets called for sciency stuff because he's got a brain the size of a planet, and, thus, is better at it than most other alternatives. Compare how no show except TNG and 7th season DS9 ever show a councelor. I'd arguably say Enterprise D doesn't really HAS a dedicated Science Officer - even when Data is missing they don't assign another blueshirt like they do whenever there is no Security Chief or First Officer. He's also not wearing blue. Will look into it if he's got both positions officially, but i doubt it.
I don't think Seven was the official Science Officer, either. Like Data, she served that role due to having the accumulated knowledge of thousands of species stored in her head, but seeing as she wasn't even a member of Starfleet she couldn't be the "official" one. I think the closest VOY got to having one was Samantha Wildman, who used to sit at the Sciences station on the bridge (next to the conference room entrance) before she vanished into the realm of forgotten characters.

EDIT: lel, forgot to answer the thread's topic. I'll admit it might be due to nostalgia, but I've got to go with Data on this. He became obnoxious in the movies, and all those episodes where we got to see Brent! Spiner! ACTING!! were hard to swallow, but I love the guy.

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Completely different situation. The Enterprise wasn't stranded in the Delta Quadrant. Well, technically it was once for a few hours, but that's neither here nor there.

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I will eternally be amused at how apparently only four or five blueshirts survived the pilot. I mean what happened, did they forget that blue doesn't have to mean "medic"? Should have stuck Seven into a proper blue uniform.
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If you don't like Data you are an android hater.
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Completely different situation.
Not really. Not for the purposes of this discussion, at least. Data was the go-to science person on TNG because he had the biggest brain, even though he wasn't technically the science officer. Seven was the go-to science person on VOY because she had the biggest brain, even though she wasn't technically the science officer. It's more to do with the writers of the show than the situation either ship found itself in, since in-universe both the Enterprise and Voyager must've had an official Science Officer.


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Should have stuck Seven into a proper blue uniform.
One of the reasons I love "Relativity" so much is because she spends the whole episode in one. Not only does it make more sense for the show (if you're going to have Maquis in Starfleet uniforms, Seven should be in one, too), but she looked a lot better in that than in her stupid catsuit.

Same concept with T'Pol, except that's even worse. She always wore her catsuit in the early seasons because she wasn't a member of Starfleet, just a Vulcan High Command officer on loan. But then we see VHC personnel, and none of them are wearing the stupid catsuit.

Then she actually JOINS Starfleet officially, and just switches to another catsuit instead of the uniform. Much like Seven, she only wears an actual Starfleet uniform in an episode dealing with timey-wimey shenanigans ("Twilight").
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Those cat suits are stupidly retarded in the first place but they destroyed every bit of hotty-leftovers with that vulcan mop-hairstyle. I mean Jolene Blalock is a beautiful woman (if a bit on the skinny side), but in full T'Pol-outfit together with that horrible script lines and the emotion-drug storyline just make her look dorkier than FedCon attendees in full Spock cosplay.
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Data is the Operation's Manager on Enterprise, though, not "the" Science Officer. That's usually one of the blueshirts in the background. He just gets called for sciency stuff because he's got a brain the size of a planet, and, thus, is better at it than most other alternatives. Compare how no show except TNG and 7th season DS9 ever show a councelor. I'd arguably say Enterprise D doesn't really HAS a dedicated Science Officer - even when Data is missing they don't assign another blueshirt like they do whenever there is no Security Chief or First Officer. He's also not wearing blue. Will look into it if he's got both positions officially, but i doubt it.
I'm pretty sure they say early on that Galaxy Class ships (During Peace Time) are supposed to be ships that officers could bring their families on, and be exploration/colonization vessels, rather than warships. Not to mention it's massive size/crew complement compared to other Federation ships at the time, they definitely needed a full time counselor.
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Data was a goddamned joke played by a sub-par actor.
This. Spock is a far more interesting character because he has his own identity as a Vulcan that he feels justified pride in. Data just fawns over humans rather than establishing his own identity as an android, which reduces him to a ham-handed plot device whose character moments are just fawning over having feelings.

A better-written Data would realize that his ability to form friendships with people and things like that are evidence that he was "human" in his own way and try to, you know, try and figure out what it means to be a better android, rather than keep thinking better android = human.
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