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Old 02-13-2016, 12:52 PM
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That's a cool idea. I'd envisioned it as being more of an ad hoc arrangement (troll or tauren auxiliaries would end up in whatever war-pack they fought against, assuming they didn't stay with their own units), but it'd be a good way to encourage mingling.

The only war-packs I remember writing about were the Ebonflint and Red-Eye (obvious analogs to the Black Rock Clan and the Bleeding Hollow Clan). I think I had the Red-Eye use talbuks as mounts. Oh, there was also the Tigerclaw War-Pack, which was naval, but that was a gratuitous Wing Commander reference as opposed to a Warcraft reference.
It is pretty ad-hoc.

Goblins work with Warsong because they started a good working relationship in Ashenvale. The warsong have seen shredder's and likely other tech in action and goblins know the warsong are good customers.

Gnomes work with Kul'tiras because they help with ship design and submarine design, something Kul'tiras is always in need of. Can you imagine how happy sailors would be with the first mechanical bilge pumps and such?


Thrall and Varian don't just say "Here, you guys work together" but that's how the narrative would pan out because of regional closeness and who's sent to deal with what problem.

Ideally it'd have some mix and match over time too, like, although goblins and warsong work well, maybe they also get some ogres or Mogu or Yaungol in the mix if they visit outland or Pandaria.

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Are Gilneans still Worgen in this scenario? Hard to think of what they have in common with Night Elves if they're not.

To be honest, I'm starting to prefer the idea of Gilneas just acting independently and not trying to get chummy with other races, because when that happens their identity is completely lost.
Sometimes they are, in other cases it's because Nelfs arrive to deal with the worgen and naga that are attacking Gilneas because they feel somewhat responsible for the worgen and hate the naga.

In that case them working together is built less on druidism and cultural closeness and more on them being groups of isolationists with a respect for wildlife, focus on guerilla tactics, and hatred of the forsaken.
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Old 02-13-2016, 12:58 PM
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Worgen: Kill off Tess, she's a traitor. Reclaim Gilneas and have vengeance upon the hated Forsaken.
Has Tess really betrayed Gilneas yet? I don't see any valid evidence of that except from the mad ramblings of a few dumbasses who want to see her kill her father because he has the audacity to get shit done.

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The worgen got shafted more than any other race. The switching back between human and worgen form was a cool idea, but made it much harder for them to have any clear identity. As it is, they come across as sidekicks for the Kaldorei.

The best option may have been to make the transformation itself a key to their identity. Show how the curse affects Gilnean society. Some Gilneans hate it, and try to suppress it whenever possible; others find it liberating. This could be even more interesting if you assume Gilneas had some of the same class divides present in their Victorian inspirations.

Likewise, how do Gilneans integrate in other human kingdoms? Stormwind authorities might not like the idea of worgen spreading their curse through a bite. A single drunken or disturbed worgen could cause a major problem. This might believable lead them to seek shelter with elves instead, despite the massive cultural differences.
The one thing I like about the human form is that it gives them an element of surprise on their enemy, I really want to see a moment where a town of humans is being attacked and suddenly the enemy is taken aback because they all just shapeshifted into Worgen and ripped his army to shreds.

But Blizzard has yet to try to do something like this.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:19 PM
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FFS people the Uncrowned isn't a guild of kingslayers. They just have kingslayers which is Garona. They keep changing the quest every few weeks so we may not even have that.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:21 PM
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FFS people the Uncrowned isn't a guild of kingslayers. They just have kingslayers which is Garona. They keep changing the quest every few weeks so we may not even have that.
They honestly should just change the name of the group so the misconceptions can stop.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:20 PM
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Taurens should have rangers. Not the fantasy kind but the Army Rangers kind. If they can be the airborne kind that'd be great too.
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Old 02-14-2016, 12:22 AM
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I still think the best counter the Alliance should have to the forsaken plague is to weaponize the radiation that went off in gnomeregan; turn it into a "dirty bomb" and turn enemy races into insane 'leper' versions of themselves.

Have these radiation bombs and the plague pointed at the other capitols, induce a state of MAD, end the faction war.
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Old 02-14-2016, 12:34 AM
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I still think the best counter the Alliance should have to the forsaken plague is to weaponize the radiation that went off in gnomeregan; turn it into a "dirty bomb" and turn enemy races into insane 'leper' versions of themselves.

Have these radiation bombs and the plague pointed at the other capitols, induce a state of MAD, end the faction war.
I like this idea.
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:05 AM
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We all know radioactive orcs would probably just hulk out.


Troll regen would probably get cancerous and ugly though.
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:23 AM
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Most if not all faction war is tied to the Forsaken. Exterminate those and the factions can have peace. The orcs have a truce with the nelves, unless they become greedy again then there's no reason for full scale war atm. The Forsaken is the square among the cylinders.
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It's worth noting, when discussing Orcish Military, that Rend and Maim, vehement supporters of 'Old Orc Ways', reorganized the Clan into a handful of Legions. You see some hints of this in Thrall and Garrosh's Horde, but nothing on-par with Rend's reforms.
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:03 PM
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We all know radioactive orcs would probably just hulk out.


Troll regen would probably get cancerous and ugly though.
Like Deadpool.
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:07 PM
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Factions should have radios. Players can tune into radios while in taverns or in vehicles, and listen to news clips delivered in the frantic cadence of a '20s radio host, or to early jazz music (maybe marching music for the Horde).
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:14 PM
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Factions should have radios. Players can tune into radios while in taverns or in vehicles, and listen to news clips delivered in the frantic cadence of a '20s radio host, or to early jazz music (maybe marching music for the Horde).
Radio Freetotem - 24 hours tribal drum.
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:18 PM
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We all know radioactive orcs would probably just hulk out.


Troll regen would probably get cancerous and ugly though.
Trolls would become an army of Deadpools
The Tauren teenagers would become mutant ninjas
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:24 PM
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Radio Freetotem - 24 hours tribal drum.
It'd be impractical, obviously, but very cool to have each playable race with its own channel. You could have some news, that would occasionally be updated with content releases. This would let the player see the different perspectives around the event, along with discussion about issues not relevant to the plot, but of interest to lore nerds.

There'd be some music that reflects the culture of origin.
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Old 02-16-2016, 08:47 PM
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It'd be impractical, obviously, but very cool to have each playable race with its own channel. You could have some news, that would occasionally be updated with content releases. This would let the player see the different perspectives around the event, along with discussion about issues not relevant to the plot, but of interest to lore nerds.

There'd be some music that reflects the culture of origin.
They can hold contests for player submissions to generate the said content.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:39 PM
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They can hold contests for player submissions to generate the said content.
That's a really good idea!
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Radio Freetotem - 24 hours tribal drum.
So... NPR?
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We've had walkie-talkie style radios ingame?

There's the Squawkbox and... what's the other version called?
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So... NPR?
NPR would probably be the gnomish station.

"This is GPR with Ira Glasswiz, hosting This Alliance Life."
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NPR would probably be the gnomish station.

"This is GPR with Ira Glasswiz, hosting This Alliance Life."
Makes me think of the old GNN

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Makes me think of the old GNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71pnoRs5rCA
It's got some of the style right, though NPR's a lot more toned down. Also, there'd need to be some mention about how they don't broadcast commercials, followed by an ad for a fundraiser.
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It's got some of the style right, though NPR's a lot more toned down. Also, there'd need to be some mention about how they don't broadcast commercials, followed by an ad for a fundraiser.
Can we have a Barrens Chat Home Companion?
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Can we have a Barrens Chat Home Companion?
"Well that's the news from Lake Felbegon, where all the warriors are wise, all the shamans are brave, and all the whelps are above average in ferocity."

EDIT: And instead of using the word "Unitarian" as a punchline, it could use "Argent Crusade".
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:19 AM
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Horde Civil War:

1. Kill the Forsaken.

2. Keep the Blood Elves in check.

3. Wait until a side wins, either smash the winner or push a treaty on them.

4. Just shoot Garrosh.

There you all go, I prevented an expansion and crippled the Horde.

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