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Old 08-28-2014, 03:58 PM
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A sequel to this http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/...d.php?t=216394

Status of the universe:
  • Arthas and Ner'zhul became one being
  • Illidan, Kael, and Vashj died on Icecrown
  • Quel'thalas is a haunted ruin
  • No living humans left in Lordaeron
  • Status of Stormwind is unknown
  • Ironforge is still around
  • Dalaran wasn't rebuilt
  • Maiev died in Outland
  • The Horde didn't invade Ashenvale
  • The manuals are canon etc etc.

Yay or nay for this universe?

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Old 08-28-2014, 03:59 PM
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It's like literally EVERYTHING is better!
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I was probably just upset about the Horde fleet in the Second War.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:02 PM
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The Second War actually lasted a few years.
The old Horde had weapons, and even some victories.
Uther and Faol were in the First War.
Vol'jin isn't a Shadow Hunter, but Rokhan is.

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Forest Trolls are pure evilevilevil nonredeeming.
Doomhammer's Horde was totally still doing the Burning Legion's bidding, but not Doomhammer himself somehow, except maybe he was I dunno?
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:04 PM
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Forest Trolls are pure evilevilevil nonredeeming.
Doomhammer's Horde was totally still doing the Burning Legion's bidding, but not Doomhammer himself somehow, except maybe he was I dunno?
I'm okay with this because it simply means Thrall doesn't actually understand his Horde.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:08 PM
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Ooh! Thrall has ogres in his Horde! Thrall has ogres in his Horde!

A coalition/understanding exists between Durotar, Theramore, and the Night Elf Sentinels. As far as Theramore knows, the old Alliance is dead.

And maybe the old Alliance is dead, because who knows how far the Scourge went?
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:11 PM
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My eyes and brains say yes, but my heart says there should only ever be one universe.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:20 PM
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In my opinion WoW further PGed everything.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:24 PM
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But Thrall has OGRES IN HIS HORDE!
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:45 PM
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With the exception of Illidan, Kael and Vash being dead I say yes to all! Though I could live with that if you had the Illidari somehow still live on.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:49 PM
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I'd rather that everything after WotLK was changed.
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Old 08-28-2014, 05:10 PM
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You know, this remind me of a RPG Warcraft series idea I once had. A super-savage Azeroth. Savage like in every Orc would litteraly be a green Gregor Clegane. I'll get unto that once I have time.
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Old 08-28-2014, 05:29 PM
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But Thrall has OGRES IN HIS HORDE!
Weirdly, the amount of horde ogres has only increased since then. Aside from the stonemaul, there's also the dunemaul now. Depending on how much of the old dark horde joined, there might also be some spirestone and/or firegut.

Up until WoD, there was also the enslaved portion of the dreadmaul, but they join the Iron Horde in WoD. The other Stonemaul Clan might also briefly been part of Thrall's horde, depending on when Mug'thol found his fancy crown, but they went off to rule alterac.
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Old 08-28-2014, 05:35 PM
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Doomhammer's Horde was totally still doing the Burning Legion's bidding, but not Doomhammer himself somehow, except maybe he was I dunno?
Ugh. This again? Doomhammer wanted to conquer Azeroth for the orcs so that they could have a living world and return to their shamanistic roots. The Legion was of course pro-chaos, so they supported what Doomhammer's conquests, but the anti-Legion Doomhammer was not doing what he did for the Legion, but for the orcs.
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Old 08-28-2014, 05:38 PM
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Ugh. This again? Doomhammer wanted to conquer Azeroth for the orcs so that they could have a living world and return to their shamanistic roots. The Legion was of course pro-chaos, so they supported what Doomhammer's conquests, but the anti-Legion Doomhammer was not doing what he did for the Legion, but for the orcs.
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Old 08-28-2014, 05:47 PM
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A coalition/understanding exists between Durotar, Theramore, and the Night Elf Sentinels. As far as Theramore knows, the old Alliance is dead.

And maybe the old Alliance is dead, because who knows how far the Scourge went?
The funny thing is, based on what information we had coming out of TFT, it wasn't even a "who knows?" sort of thing. The presence of battalions from every human kingdom comprising Jaina's survivors pretty heavily supported the likelihood that the rest of the Alliance had been destroyed by the Scourge by the time her evacuation was fully underway.
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:05 PM
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The funny thing is, based on what information we had coming out of TFT, it wasn't even a "who knows?" sort of thing. The presence of battalions from every human kingdom comprising Jaina's survivors pretty heavily supported the likelihood that the rest of the Alliance had been destroyed by the Scourge by the time her evacuation was fully underway.
Basically this. The implication was that besides Garithos' group and the odd ragtag band of survivors here and there, the entire continent of Lordaeron at the very least was completely Scourged.

Daelin's "We checked for survivors for months but found none" dialogue only supported that further.

Theramore was heavily implied to be the last bastion of both humanity and the high elves, and perhaps even the dwarves.
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:05 PM
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The funny thing is, based on what information we had coming out of TFT, it wasn't even a "who knows?" sort of thing. The presence of battalions from every human kingdom comprising Jaina's survivors pretty heavily supported the likelihood that the rest of the Alliance had been destroyed by the Scourge by the time her evacuation was fully underway.
That would have made for a much more grim/dark setting for WoW. Just imagine all the main goal in vanilla WoW the reclamation of EK.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:14 PM
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Dalaran should still be rebuilt IMO. It was the homebase of Garithos and his troops. Even though he died and had some issues, Dalaran being retaken is still believable.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:18 PM
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Dalaran should still be rebuilt IMO. It was the homebase of Garithos and his troops. Even though he died and had some issues, Dalaran being retaken is still believable.
Believable, perhaps, but not necessary. When Sylvanas fucked over Garithos, the living lost their grasp on the city. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just another territory of dead Lordaeron in this canonspace.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:19 PM
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Ugh. This again? Doomhammer wanted to conquer Azeroth for the orcs so that they could have a living world and return to their shamanistic roots. The Legion was of course pro-chaos, so they supported what Doomhammer's conquests, but the anti-Legion Doomhammer was not doing what he did for the Legion, but for the orcs.
Just going by the flashback cutscenes in Warcraft III, which (I believe) indicate there were daemons actively calling the shots through the Second War.


EDIT: Or go by Lord of the Clans, which indicates Gul'dan held highest authority in the Horde up until the point when it was virtually over and the humans needed orc gladiators in their internment camps to keep from getting bored. Then it's not Doomhammer's fault at all.

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Wouldn't Stormwind and Kul'Tira still exist?
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:30 PM
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Wouldn't Stormwind and Kul'Tira still exist?
Stormwind's status is uncertain after the Second War.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:43 PM
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Believable, perhaps, but not necessary. When Sylvanas fucked over Garithos, the living lost their grasp on the city. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just another territory of dead Lordaeron in this canonspace.
Where was Garithos' massive base in "Dreadlord's Fall"? The map shows it was somewhere near the Bulwark.

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Just going by the flashback cutscenes in Warcraft III, which (I believe) indicate there were daemons actively calling the shots through the Second War.
Uther acted like that was the case, even if no depiction really has it like that. Maybe the "Daemon" units?
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Old 08-28-2014, 08:06 PM
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I also prefer the RTS because taurens had four fingers. I can't believe people don't remember that.
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Uther acted like that was the case, even if no depiction really has it like that. Maybe the "Daemon" units?
Yes, I actually was thinking of the two "Blackrock & Roll!" levels, including Uther's commentary.

It's not objective proof, but to me those levels gave a feel of "this is what the Horde used to be like". Ogre-magi, goblin sappers, dragons. And also warlocks, ritualistic human sacrifices, blademasters who guard physical demongates and praise their demon masters. I'm sure the modern interpretation is that those "Blackrocks" were relapsing to pre-Portal days. But when I saw it, I interpreted it as a flat retcon of what the old Horde was in both of the previous RTS games. See, I hadn't read LotC, so I didn't know Doomhammer was supposed to have been heroically different than his Horde. And if I had read LotC, it would have told me Gul'dan had highest authority up until the end days of that war.

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