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Batman using guns will never work for me, it has nothing to do with morals and just more to do with it not being an iconic part of how Batman takes down his criminals. It takes away the point of him using gadgets and fear tactics, because these things are supposed to make up for his refusal to use guns.
Then you shouldn't have a problem with the Batman of BvS since he never uses a gun, except at the very end of the movie, to save Martha. All the rest, all his weapons in the Batmobile were always there and finally depicted as they should have been.

I really feel that Superman as the Big Blue Scout is a terrible character with zero interesting point (which is why I hate Captain America, who is basically a subpart version of Superman as a Boy Scout, on the top of being over-americanized to the point that using him and franchises trying to appeal to the rest of the world is probably somewhat detrimental). Superman, neither in MoS nor BvS is bland. He is searching his way, doubting that what he does is the right thing. That's human. In most of his Boy Scout apparition, he is bland, to the point that his power and his nature elicit almost no reaction from the world : how so bland a character could be a threat ?

Really, the current versions of a more conflicted Superman are thousands of miles better than the previous ones.
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How did the Krypton ship allow Zod's fingerprints to get pass? It knew Zod was a sentenced criminal.
It was Zod's ship, not the one Clark found in MoS.
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Then you shouldn't have a problem with the Batman of BvS since he never uses a gun, except at the very end of the movie, to save Martha. All the rest, all his weapons in the Batmobile were always there and finally depicted as they should have been.

I really feel that Superman as the Big Blue Scout is a terrible character with zero interesting point (which is why I hate Captain America, who is basically a subpart version of Superman as a Boy Scout, on the top of being over-americanized to the point that using him and franchises trying to appeal to the rest of the world is probably somewhat detrimental). Superman, neither in MoS nor BvS is bland. He is searching his way, doubting that what he does is the right thing. That's human. In most of his Boy Scout apparition, he is bland, to the point that his power and his nature elicit almost no reaction from the world : how so bland a character could be a threat ?

Really, the current versions of a more conflicted Superman are thousands of miles better than the previous ones.
But I do still have a problem, for that exact reason.

And Superman was still really bland and boring in both Man of Steel and this, he was by far the weakest part of the movie and the most praise I've heard about it have been the Batman and Wonder Woman parts.
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It was Zod's ship, not the one Clark found in MoS.
Then how come it identify Zod as a criminal?
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Now you guys are probably thinking that my opinion of this movie is that it's the worst thing since my son, or something like that. No that's not really the case, but it was the worst thing since my great granddaughter, Crystal. See she's a stripper at Pole Katz in Atlantic City, New Jersey.
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I watched a blurry cam-rip of Batman v Superman the other day, and the low visual quality were leagues better than the supposed story I was trying to follow. The whole thing felt rushed, and Superman's sore feelings towards Batman felt completely out of the blue. Not to mention that sorry excuse for a villain, Lex Luthor, and the rubbish acting (not that the acting was bad, necessarily, but a bad fit for the movie). And what was the deal with Zod being reanimated as Doomsday? Like, really? That's the plotline we're going with? Fuck me. And I don't even want to start with the "seeding" of Aquaman/Flash/etc... The most bland shit ever.

No, DC, plz stick to stand-alone superhero flicks. You clearly don't have the patience to build up a cinematic franchise like Marvel's.
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No, DC, plz stick to stand-alone superhero flicks. You clearly don't have the patience to build up a cinematic franchise like Marvel's.
But Marvel "build up" franchise sucks. It sucks terribly. I don't give a fuck about solo movies which makes no sense, feels completely separated from the others, except through some after-generic scenes, plotholes and inconsistencies the size of a supercluster and mostly an inorganic setting. With just two films, the DCEU feel larger and more organic that the whole mess which is the MCU. I felt that the seeding of the future JL members was perfectly done (except Aquaman who was holding his breath, but hey) because it demonstrated thay they were there, preventing them from appearing out of the blue because "reasons" in future films. I favour greatly the way DC and WB are working, which is that they build upon the previous film(s) instead of making a whole "Phase" being "Chase MacGuffin X" during each movies...
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:20 AM
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But Marvel "build up" franchise sucks. It sucks terribly. I don't give a fuck about solo movies which makes no sense, feels completely separated from the others, except through some after-generic scenes, plotholes and inconsistencies the size of a supercluster and mostly an inorganic setting. With just two films, the DCEU feel larger and more organic that the whole mess which is the MCU. I felt that the seeding of the future JL members was perfectly done (except Aquaman who was holding his breath, but hey) because it demonstrated thay they were there, preventing them from appearing out of the blue because "reasons" in future films. I favour greatly the way DC and WB are working, which is that they build upon the previous film(s) instead of making a whole "Phase" being "Chase MacGuffin X" during each movies...
Have to disagree. Iron Man 1 was fine, and it worked as a solo film. Thor 1, Hulk 1 and Cap 1 allow us to meet the characters while slowly adding pieces in. In the first phase they had solo adventures while still building up for the big act 1 end. Winter Soldier was by all accounts great and sent shockwaves throughout marvel. They could slow down a bit but they aren't terrible yet.
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How did the Krypton ship allow Zod's fingerprints to get pass? It knew Zod was a sentenced criminal.
Zod had taken control of the ship at the end of MoS, and erased Jor El from the ship's computer.

It's like in Aladdin... the genie knew Jafar was an ass, but still had to do what he was told while Jafar was master of the lamp.
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But Marvel "build up" franchise sucks. It sucks terribly. I don't give a fuck about solo movies which makes no sense, feels completely separated from the others, except through some after-generic scenes, plotholes and inconsistencies the size of a supercluster and mostly an inorganic setting. With just two films, the DCEU feel larger and more organic that the whole mess which is the MCU. I felt that the seeding of the future JL members was perfectly done (except Aquaman who was holding his breath, but hey) because it demonstrated thay they were there, preventing them from appearing out of the blue because "reasons" in future films. I favour greatly the way DC and WB are working, which is that they build upon the previous film(s) instead of making a whole "Phase" being "Chase MacGuffin X" during each movies...
The dropping numbers (yes it keeps dropping harder than a rock) disagree. I don't see how a person unfamiliar with DC would enjoy, or understand this movie. And after reading most of the new 52 JL, it's mostly about flashy action and juicy panels rather than story. I expect the movie will be the same as the first new 52 JL issues. Heroes bump into one another, parademons show up everywhere, Darkseid comes in and blows up half of the earth (gotta have more destruction porn) and Superman will come in in a ''triumphant'' return after spending half the movie moping on the mountain with ghost Pa Kent telling him he maybe should let the earth get conquered by Darkseid. Add some extra grim darkness and I just spoiled the movie for you.

Solo movies allow for ''diversity'' in both tone and action. I want a GL movie for space battles between Skittles, I want a Batfleck movie because Batman. The only team-up movie with no build up I see working would be JSA. But that would have to be done in a 40's-50's fashion showing there were heroes way before the Trinity.

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Have to disagree. Iron Man 1 was fine, and it worked as a solo film. Thor 1, Hulk 1 and Cap 1 allow us to meet the characters while slowly adding pieces in. In the first phase they had solo adventures while still building up for the big act 1 end. Winter Soldier was by all accounts great and sent shockwaves throughout marvel. They could slow down a bit but they aren't terrible yet.
IM1, both Cap movies and Thor 2 are my favorite.

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Solo movies allow for ''diversity'' in both tone and action. I want a GL movie for space battles between Skittles, I want a Batfleck movie because Batman. The only team-up movie with no build up I see working would be JSA. But that would have to be done in a 40's-50's fashion showing there were heroes way before the Trinity.
Both Cap movies sucks terribly. Because I don't give a fuck about Cap. I don't even care about remembering his name, because he is basically a Function, the most bland character ever. The "diversity" you mention in tones for Marvel, I call that incoherences, which are extremely detrimental to the story of the MCU as a whole. Iron Man 1 has basically been reconnected by the 2, which drops the MCU harder and in a very worse way that BvS does. Hulk movies has basically been retconned out of existence because there is never even one mention of what happened there in the Avengers, the first Thor was absolute garbage, the Thor 2 was full of incoherences (really, the Earth is threatened as a whole but the Avengers don't assemble only because it happens in London ? What bullshit is that?), just like Iron Man 3 (were the fucking President of the U.S. is caught by a terrorist but Captain America doesn't even appear ! And that's just one of them).

Guardian of the Galaxy was great but it suffered from the MacGuffin syndrome of the whole Phase 2, add more complications with the whole "Marvel in Space" dropped on us when in Iron Man 3 Tony was basically traumatized that there was alien lives out there.

The only great movies of the MCU are the two Avengers, not because their characters were seeded before, but because those movies works well on their own, and even introduce new characters (especially the second). Just like BvS which is an excellent movies, criticized because it came out too late and the public is used to the MCU "fast-food" style films and dislike something which isn't the same shit in DC colours.
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Both Cap movies sucks terribly. Because I don't give a fuck about Cap. I don't even care about remembering his name, because he is basically a Function, the most bland character ever.
I didn't either at first. I thought his movie was gonna be American propaganda garbage. But it poked fun at it and acknowledged how silly of a concept he is, and I cared about Steve as bland as his motivation was. He's just a guy who wants to help people and I appreciate that. Throughout the movies rescuing civilians has been a priority for him. I did not like AoU but one of the things I did from it was that the goal towards the end was to rescue the people trapped on the rock, not bash Ultron into every building packed with civilians and making out in the rubble while thousands are dying. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel did that as a response to the MoS criticisms.

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The "diversity" you mention in tones for Marvel, I call that incoherences, which are extremely detrimental to the story of the MCU as a whole. Iron Man 1 has basically been reconnected by the 2, which drops the MCU harder and in a very worse way that BvS does. Hulk movies has basically been retconned out of existence because there is never even one mention of what happened there in the Avengers, the first Thor was absolute garbage
I don't really mind those. Never watched the Hulk movies because I don't like the character. And Thor had a charming cast which made me forget about it's problems. Also fantasy mixed with Norse elements.

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(really, the Earth is threatened as a whole but the Avengers don't assemble only because it happens in London ? What bullshit is that?), just like Iron Man 3 (were the fucking President of the U.S. is caught by a terrorist but Captain America doesn't even appear ! And that's just one of them).
Just like the comics. They face world ending threats and NY is getting blown up in every individual issue but the Avengers don't show up everywhere. Comic book logic. It works because the movies are built on it. BvS wants to come off as realistic which makes the whole thing fall apart. Where was Wonder Woman when Zod and his gang were tearing up the earth? Was Flash too busy smoking a joint during all of it? Why is the world concerned about Superman only when they have literal fish people in the oceans, Amazonian demigods, crocodile people, witches doing dark magic, people shooting fire etc. ? Why wasn't the meme black scientist concerned about the literal underwater empire that could pose a serious threat to naval trading. Why isn't religion questioned and Christianity falling apart when witches unleash their demonic powers, or when Greek demigods battle German soldiers?

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Guardian of the Galaxy was great but it suffered from the MacGuffin syndrome of the whole Phase 2, add more complications with the whole "Marvel in Space" dropped on us when in Iron Man 3 Tony was basically traumatized that there was alien lives out there.
I didn't watch GoTg but I think Tony was traumatized that he could have died in space when he hurled the nuke in the portal.

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The only great movies of the MCU are the two Avengers, not because their characters were seeded before, but because those movies works well on their own, and even introduce new characters (especially the second). Just like BvS which is an excellent movies, criticized because it came out too late and the public is used to the MCU "fast-food" style films and dislike something which isn't the same shit in DC colours.
I can't speak for the general public but I simply do not enjoy the moody take on their movies. They want to be different from Marvel, sure. But they can be different by adapting the materials that made them famous in the first place. Light tone =/= Marvel
I don't want to watch movies where the heroes are parodies of themselves and come off more as villains than actual heroes. Just look at this. People legit thought it was a Bizarro reference. Does he look like a guy who would rescue you out of a collapsing building, or a guy who'd just snap your neck?

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I really feel that Superman as the Big Blue Scout is a terrible character with zero interesting point
Tell me why the Superman showed in the comic Hlaalu linked is blander than the one shown in BvS. Things like Superman talking with that suicidal girl, and being there for her, without being judgemental, show that he truly deserves the title 'Superman'- somebody you can look up to, and say that this man is what we should all be like. There is nothing remotely inspirational about BvS Superman. And that's sad, because Superman as a character has always been about hope. And those who say that he had no personality have not read Superman's best comics. His rogue gallery is full of people even more powerful then him, and yet, his archenemy is a human. The Superman shown in BvS does nothing but stare around, brood, and punch. He's given little to no dialogue of significance.


I do not look for realism in the Superhero genre, in the same way I do not look for realism when reading high fantasy. There is no superhero that can be described as realistic, and there would be nothing cool about the genre if it attempted to be realistic. DC has such a vast Universe, with so many characters, that they should go nuts, instead of sticking to a pseudo-realistic vision. It's why Marvel succeeds on the big screen, it's why DC Animation used to be so good once, it's why shows like the Flash are acclaimed.

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Tell me why the Superman showed in the comic Hlaalu linked is blander than the one shown in BvS. Things like Superman talking with that suicidal girl, and being there for her, without being judgemental, show that he truly deserves the title 'Superman'- somebody you can look up to, and say that this man is what we should all be like. There is nothing remotely inspirational about BvS Superman. And that's sad, because Superman as a character has always been about hope. And those who say that he had no personality have not read Superman's best comics. His rogue gallery is full of people even more powerful then him, and yet, his archenemy is a human. The Superman shown in BvS does nothing but stare around, brood, and punch.
Because he sucks and makes no sense. And he sucks because a character without any conflict, any "angst" as it is apparently now named can't be a model for such a person on the verge of suicide. You can't help a woman like the one in the comics if yourself hasn't doubted, or even felt unneeded, useless in this world. Someone who has never suffered greatly at an emotional level simply can't relate with someone who has. That's why the attempt to portray Superman as a Boy Scout are cringe-worthy : with a total lack of controversy surrounding him, he does good things and apparently, it is perfectly normal and natural. But it isn't and makes him uninteresting.

You can't be a Superman if you're not a man, if you don't struggle, if you don't suffer, because you can't relate to Mankind then. In the comics I've read, he only rarely waver in his beliefs if not under external pressure. In MoS and BvS he isn't brooding as much as asking himself if what he does is the right thing, what he should be, what he can be. It is leagues better than the usual Boy Scout Superman because it makes him almost real, it makes him human, in the most positive sense of this word, because then when he stands for justice, it isn't out of some Moral Imperative which even him is unaware of. It is a man standing for what he thinks is right, as someone who can says to a woman on the verge of suicide that he is there for her.

For me, unrealism in the construction of the characters is the worst thing a writer can do, hence why I greatly favour DC Comics over Marvel even in book format. I don't like comics "going nuts'", it leads to terrible storytelling, storylines and so much wasted potential that it makes me angry.
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Superman can be idealistic and noble but still have flaws. The animated series did it quite well. He was a nice guy but he had problems. Also, one of the things the 78 film did is that Jonathan admits that at one point he was scared clark would be shunned. However, he realized Supes couldn't just keep things hidden because his power was too great.

Also, what culture expertly demolished the "unrelatable" crap http://whatculture.com/comics/10-thi...superman.php/3

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Because he sucks and makes no sense. And he sucks because a character without any conflict, any "angst" as it is apparently now named can't be a model for such a person on the verge of suicide. You can't help a woman like the one in the comics if yourself hasn't doubted, or even felt unneeded, useless in this world. Someone who has never suffered greatly at an emotional level simply can't relate with someone who has. That's why the attempt to portray Superman as a Boy Scout are cringe-worthy : with a total lack of controversy surrounding him, he does good things and apparently, it is perfectly normal and natural. But it isn't and makes him uninteresting.

You can't be a Superman if you're not a man, if you don't struggle, if you don't suffer, because you can't relate to Mankind then. In the comics I've read, he only rarely waver in his beliefs if not under external pressure. In MoS and BvS he isn't brooding as much as asking himself if what he does is the right thing, what he should be, what he can be. It is leagues better than the usual Boy Scout Superman because it makes him almost real, it makes him human, in the most positive sense of this word, because then when he stands for justice, it isn't out of some Moral Imperative which even him is unaware of. It is a man standing for what he thinks is right, as someone who can says to a woman on the verge of suicide that he is there for her.

For me, unrealism in the construction of the characters is the worst thing a writer can do, hence why I greatly favour DC Comics over Marvel even in book format. I don't like comics "going nuts'", it leads to terrible storytelling, storylines and so much wasted potential that it makes me angry.
I'm not sure if you can assume that Superman's never had angst or conflict just by looking at those panels. The page I linked had Superman talk about his feelings regarding a terminally ill friend or acquaintance who committed suicide.
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The boy scout Superman isn't really meant to be a character but an icon or role model. Someone to look up to and be inspired by. Everyone can be a Superman at the end of the day. It's pretty much a typical strategy for kids who would read these comics.

It's a cliche recommendation at this point but I do recommend you Korath to read All Star Superman. I think it deconstructs the boy scout Superman in a terrific way. If you read it can you share your thoughts on it?

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A main problem is that it is possible to be sunny and idealistic......and still know the world can suck. They just think that what is good is worth fighting for.

Take real hero Jim McCloskey. He was a businessman who unsatisfied with life became a priest. During his time as a priest he got an innocent man out of prison (the prosecution's case depended on a "Career witness" and the prosecution essentially suborned perjury by lying about the fact they dragged him out when they needed a conviction. McCloskey proved that the prosecutor basically suborned perjury.) This inspired him, and since than McCloskey has helped exonerate more than 50 people. Quite a few of those people (the most prominent being Clarence Brandley, a black janitor falsely accused rape and murder in Texas) were on death row. In one case he was able to succeed where even the innocence project threw in the towel.

The thing is, he's not naive at how scummy humans can be. Many of the cases (Brandley in particluar) had police and prosecutors WILLINGLY forge evidence or even knowingly allow the actual murderer to escape justice because they wanted to pretty their numbers or boost their career, easily one of the most monstrous things a person can do short of murder. In one case he spent years invested in proving a man named Roger Coleman innocent. He spent close to 20 years trying to exonerate Coleman, even after he was put to death......and coleman was completely fucking guilty. DNA proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Coleman was guilty of the crime he was executed of. This was a MASSIVE betrayal of the worst kind, and McCloskey was hurt by it. However, he continues fighting because the positive outcomes of his work (The innocents who have been freed) is enough to show that it IS WORTH IT damn it.

Superman is like Jim McCloskey. He feels doubt, fear uncertainty, he's known pain but in the end the good that he does encourages him to keep fighting.

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Part of the power of Superman is that he is just a farm boy from Kansas trying to do the right thing. He's also a good and happy person. This Superman could be that, but he's not. He's sad all the time for no real reason. The other problem is just Snyder and his love of explosions and destruction. The same problem Michael Bay has.
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Part of the power of Superman is that he is just a farm boy from Kansas trying to do the right thing. He's also a good and happy person. This Superman could be that, but he's not. He's sad all the time for no real reason.
Part of this is because DC materials in general - including the comics - comics these days want to emphasize how alien and Kryptonian Superman is despite him being raised a human in Kansas his whole life.

They want to be Marvel. So they want an ostracized Superman who struggles to fit into human society. And they try to do the same with the other heroes. They want their lineup to basically be X-Men because that's worked for Marvel.

Too many people at DC also seem to have watched Kill Bill Pt. 2 and taken his "Clark Kent is just his disguise" monologue to heart, not realizing that Bill's actually wrong about it.

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Part of this is because DC materials in general - including the comics - comics these days want to emphasize how alien and Kryptonian Superman is despite him being raised a human in Kansas his whole life.

They want to be Marvel. So they want an ostracized Superman who struggles to fit into human society. And they try to do the same with the other heroes. They want their lineup to basically be X-Men because that's worked for Marvel.

Too many people at DC also seem to have watched Kill Bill Pt. 2 and taken his "Clark Kent is just his disguise" monologue to heart, not realizing that Bill's actually wrong about it.
Part of the problem is this Pa Kent, but that is not the whole problem. Pa Kent is supposed to be the balance that Jor'El is not. The weighted moral man that helps Superman decide that being Superman is actually what he needs to do because he has the power to change something.

A further note. Metropolis is supposed to a fairly clean city that is sort of like New York. Gotham is supposed to be dirty like New York is but I think Baltimore or Detroit fit Gotham much better.
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