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Kak, stop, this is just dumb mudslinging

It's not framed in any kind of cohesive argument, if you have something important to say, say it professionally or stick to Bolvars shitposting thread
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I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume that most of these Christian pedophiles who keep getting busted (and those covering for them) are predominantly right-wing. Plus, "loli" porn seems to be disturbingly common in the right-wing corners of the internet. Not to mention the likes of Roy Moore. I think it might have something to do with the social conservatives' obsession with female "purity," or maybe it's the other way around.
Unlike the liberal bastion of hollywood, where they certainly dont ignore all the sexual assault, rape, prostitution and child molesting going on.

But hey, at least all those women can rest assured that the DNC turned a blind eye to them getting it in the brown eye for all that donation money.

Then again, democrats whoring out their voters is nothing new.
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Unlike the liberal bastion of hollywood, where they certainly dont ignore all the sexual assault, rape, prostitution and child molesting going on.

But hey, at least all those women can rest assured that the DNC turned a blind eye to them getting it in the brown eye for all that donation money.

Then again, democrats whoring out their voters is nothing new.
You mean the people being rooted out and brought to justice instead of covered for like the churches and GOP are doing for all of their priests and politicians?
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You mean the people being rooted out and brought to justice instead of covered for like the churches and GOP are doing for all of their priests and politicians?
How long has it been an open secret?

Sorry, one small and ineffective moment doesnt forgive decades of rape.

But hey, buddy.. if it makes you feel better, ive been a borderline militant anti theist since a teen, so the rope for priests is all good to me
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So, this post...

http://god-empress.tumblr.com/post/1...sanspatronymic


And the link within it
https://ilsr.org/amazon-stranglehold/

Really put Amazon into perspective for me and I'm increasingly concerned at Amazon's power as a mega-corporation, we really do not need another Walmart type megacompany, we need competition.

It's also disturbing how state and local governments have bent over backwards to facilitate Bezos's rise to power and how he's basically destroyed attempts to tax him.

https://medium.com/@wantz/amazon-des...se-df35526bbea

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It’s organized into four main sections:

In the first section, Monopolizing the Economy, we look at how Amazon is using its market power to eliminate competition and take control of one industry after another, leaving us with an economy that is less diverse and innovative, and which affords fewer opportunities for businesses to start and grow.

In the second section, Undermining Jobs and Wages, we examine Amazon’s labor model and find that work inside its 190
distribution facilities resembles labor’s distant past more than a promising future, with many workers performing grueling and under-paid jobs, getting trapped in precarious temporary positions, or doing on-demand assignments that are paid by the piece.

In the third section, Weakening Communities, we explore how Amazon is upending the longstanding relationship between commerce and place, changing the way that our communities feel and threatening the revenue streams and social capital that they depend on to function.

In the final section, The Policy Response to Amazon, we begin by looking at how Amazon’s rise has been heavily assisted by government support, including subsidies and tax advantages worth billions of dollars. And finally, we turn to what to do about it, sketching the steps policymakers should take to check the company’s power and bring about a more competitive and equitable economy.
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Yes. laissez faire capitalism is bad. As bad as socialism. We need to enforce and vreak some companies up.

Google. Amazon. Etc
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Google. Amazon. Etc
See, look at this, this is great! Common ground!
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See, look at this, this is great! Common ground!
You know, I've said before that I'm left of a hell of a lot of people, even here on SoL. I support regulated capitalism, but I'm a big fan of a progressive percentage based income caps, my tax plan is, admittedly, odd in that I think the first 100K a year anyone makes should never be taxed, but anything after 100K gets a 50% tax rate (so you make 200K, you pay 50K in taxes), and anyone who makes more than 5 million a year gets 75%.

I support global health care, with the caveat that the problems present in the health care system are fixed first, because it's unsustainable first. That....isn't ever going to happen because the United States is more or less paying for the rest of the world to have it's global health care systems by funding medical research via high prices. Yeah, the CEOs get a fat stack (enter the progressive percentage cap on income), but its not where most of the money goes. Nobody ever thinks about that.


Course, I'm also a nationalist, think open borders are stupid, think border security is a needed thing, think that while Climate Change is real, its vastly overblown, am pro gun, am somewhere in the middle of pro-life and pro-choice (A woman should have the choice, but it is 100% unacceptable that there were more children aborted than born in certain demographics in NYC a few years back).

Pro-gun, probably more than Kak to certain degrees, am anti-religion, think anyone in the nation illegally should be arrested and deported, with very little given in the way of exceptions. And if the nations many of those refugees can't fix their shit (They don't want to, and use the United States as a pressure valve to stop rebellion. Leave a way out, and all) I'm also really all for absorbing, forcibly or otherwise, Mexico and much of Central America
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Yes, fucking neoliberalism with a rusty saw is a cause people of all stripes and colors can gather around.

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You know, I've said before that I'm left of a hell of a lot of people, even here on SoL. I support regulated capitalism, but I'm a big fan of a progressive percentage based income caps, my tax plan is, admittedly, odd in that I think the first 100K a year anyone makes should never be taxed, but anything after 100K gets a 50% tax rate (so you make 200K, you pay 50K in taxes), and anyone who makes more than 5 million a year gets 75%.

I support global health care, with the caveat that the problems present in the health care system are fixed first, because it's unsustainable first. That....isn't ever going to happen because the United States is more or less paying for the rest of the world to have it's global health care systems by funding medical research via high prices. Yeah, the CEOs get a fat stack (enter the progressive percentage cap on income), but its not where most of the money goes. Nobody ever thinks about that.


Course, I'm also a nationalist, think open borders are stupid, think border security is a needed thing, think that while Climate Change is real, its vastly overblown, am pro gun, am somewhere in the middle of pro-life and pro-choice (A woman should have the choice, but it is 100% unacceptable that there were more children aborted than born in certain demographics in NYC a few years back).

Pro-gun, probably more than Kak to certain degrees, am anti-religion, think anyone in the nation illegally should be arrested and deported, with very little given in the way of exceptions. And if the nations many of those refugees can't fix their shit (They don't want to, and use the United States as a pressure valve to stop rebellion. Leave a way out, and all) I'm also really all for absorbing, forcibly or otherwise, Mexico and much of Central America
*reads stuff mostly agreeing with him until the bolded part*

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Pro-gun, probably more than Kak to certain degrees
While possible, I am not sure how likely that is.

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*reads stuff mostly agreeing with him until the bolded part*

Whaaat?
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*reads stuff mostly agreeing with him until the bolded part*

Whaaat?
I mean, the entire area is corrupt as hell, you have refugees fleeing the area in droves, criminal organizations, ineffective government and that isn't going to change as long as America is seen as a way out. The options are, quite plainly, to tighten up security to the south and let things take their course, backing the faction we want in power, a course that has, throughout history, backfired on us, or take it ourselves, ensuring a (relatively) corruption free government and infrastructure is put in, and our military force used to destroy the drug cartels, growing fields, etc.


Even Mexico, by far the strongest and most culturally rich Latin American nation, bodies are left hanging from bridges, dismembered corpses found in trash bags on the street, and if you are to believe some of the people who've actually been in some of the impoverished areas in Mexico and to the south, as the poor there build homes out of trash, there are dead bodies in the streets of the ultra poor areas as well.

Military soldiers are defecting to drug cartels.

And it is ALL America's problem, due to our borders.

So yes, I am 100% behind fixing their problems by force, and the only way to do that is to absorb those nations, because donations and money just gets funneled to the bad actors. PR needs to become a state already as well.
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I like the cut of that Dutch guy's jib but maybe he was being too confrontational. You need to try and sneak the message in, use corporate boomboxes against them if possible. Ofc when you try that there is always a chance they will try to twist your views to make you seem crazy or otherwise not worth listening to but I don't think that would have happened in the TC interview if the Dutch guy was just a tad less confrontational.

The main thing that the left in the west needs to drop is silly SJW issues that divide the proletariat. It is such a perfect tool against popular revolt you can't help but wonder if the people who perpetuate this have been bought up by the rich. By essentially setting everyone against white men you split society roughly in half in terms of power dynamics (because white men do tend to have more than the average). Then by bickering amongst themselves these two groups neutralize each other much to the pleasure of the elites. That is what ultra liberal types need to realize, in the grand scheme of things where wealth inequality is king racial, gender and whatever kind of divide is meaningless. If you solve classism you get racism and sexism and whatever else for free. If all people have a good income and don't have to shiver if they will have food and shelter some months from now and everyone has a real opportunity to improve their lot through honest work then no one will sweat the small stuff like race and gender.
To visualize it, it is like two dogs fighting over a bone while a smirking tiger with a giant steak is looking at them. Stop fighting over bones, go after the steak.

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You can't make the almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things stuff your front and center. Focus on what matters, the little stuff will come on its own and even if it doesn't talk about it after. The moment you try and tell some broke redneck guy in a dead town that he is more privileged than Oprah, you lost him, probably for good. And guess who wins the status quo?
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México? The strongest and most culturally rich Latin American country?

I'm sorry, Ferlion, but how far beyond your nation's borders are you actually looking?
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I mean, the entire area is corrupt as hell, you have refugees fleeing the area in droves, criminal organizations, ineffective government and that isn't going to change as long as America is seen as a way out. The options are, quite plainly, to tighten up security to the south and let things take their course, backing the faction we want in power, a course that has, throughout history, backfired on us, or take it ourselves, ensuring a (relatively) corruption free government and infrastructure is put in, and our military force used to destroy the drug cartels, growing fields, etc.


Even Mexico, by far the strongest and most culturally rich Latin American nation, bodies are left hanging from bridges, dismembered corpses found in trash bags on the street, and if you are to believe some of the people who've actually been in some of the impoverished areas in Mexico and to the south, as the poor there build homes out of trash, there are dead bodies in the streets of the ultra poor areas as well.

Military soldiers are defecting to drug cartels.

And it is ALL America's problem, due to our borders.

So yes, I am 100% behind fixing their problems by force, and the only way to do that is to absorb those nations, because donations and money just gets funneled to the bad actors. PR needs to become a state already as well.
Well invading a country to radically alter it by force is already very imperialistic.Annexing them against their wishes is extremely so.

That is kind of the exact thing that gets America slammed globally and tarnishes nationalism/patriotism as a whole.

No one has the right to decide your fate and this should be especially true for relations between countries. International relations should ideally be fully altruistic. The US can't abuse Mexico or whatever country and claim the high ground, period.
The only legitimate thing the US can do in response to this is button up its borders tight imo. As well as try to enact change by judiciously offered material aid. Simply put the idea of killing people for their own good is dead on arrival which is why American interventionism needs to end lest the US become even more of a global pariah.

That said I obv. realize that my ideas are idealistic to the extreme given the very cynical nature of international politics even to this day. While I would say without a doubt my way is the right way in reality what you propose might be the best outcome for everyone. I am sure simple aid money gets misused and without direct control your militarized police incursions into Mexico are ineffective. While the US has its own issues it is still immensely less corrupt and more organized than Mexico and other CA states. This hypothetical takeover has a high chance of being a disaster at it is being executed but if done well it could legitimately raise the quality of life of the people affected. That is kind of the practical outcome even though it raises many ethical issues as I've pointed out before.

In many ways the "annex them" opinion is more ethical than the puppet them and economically exploit them one. That is the true evil of US imperialism, it didn't even seek to claim land and subjects. Because when you conquer a place you have certain obligations to its people to care for them if only in pretense. Not so much when you make one sided trade deals with the help of your military/intelligence force. Hey it's free trade, it's all good and consensual! No it's not, it is only free in the sense there are few regulations and tariffs which tends to fuck over the weaker country, as intended.
That is the great trick western imperialism pulled, it realized that it is much better to rent the world than conquer it.
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I'm sorry, Ferlion, but how far beyond your nation's borders are you actually looking?
What, you don't think it's Brazil, do you? Realistically, it's the only one that's close. While it's got the larger population and economy, Mexican citizens purchasing power is higher than Brazil. the Hunger Index is higher in Brazil.

It is, on paper, the more powerful nation, sure... But it's all about who you know, and Mexico was much more interested in integrating itself in with the rest of the world. Member of NATO, Economic ties via NAFTA, and while it's slow, Mexico is moving steadily towards developed nation status while Brazil... isn't. It hit some snags a few years back.

Brazil's future is going to be heavily tied to China, to be honest, and.... I mean... We all like to say that China is the next big thing, but... I mean, it's more likely the nation collapses in on itself in a few decades, considering by 2050, over a third of it's population will be elderly, and they are so far below the reproduction catch rate it's not even funny.

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Well invading a country to radically alter it by force is already very imperialistic.Annexing them against their wishes is extremely so.

That is kind of the exact thing that gets America slammed globally and tarnishes nationalism/patriotism as a whole.

No one has the right to decide your fate and this should be especially true for relations between countries. International relations should ideally be fully altruistic. The US can't abuse Mexico or whatever country and claim the high ground, period.
The only legitimate thing the US can do in response to this is button up its borders tight imo. As well as try to enact change by judiciously offered material aid. Simply put the idea of killing people for their own good is dead on arrival which is why American interventionism needs to end lest the US become even more of a global pariah.

That said I obv. realize that my ideas are idealistic to the extreme given the very cynical nature of international politics even to this day. While I would say without a doubt my way is the right way in reality what you propose might be the best outcome for everyone. I am sure simple aid money gets misused and without direct control your militarized police incursions into Mexico are ineffective. While the US has its own issues it is still immensely less corrupt and more organized than Mexico and other CA states. This hypothetical takeover has a high chance of being a disaster at it is being executed but if done well it could legitimately raise the quality of life of the people affected. That is kind of the practical outcome even though it raises many ethical issues as I've pointed out before.

In many ways the "annex them" opinion is more ethical than the puppet them and economically exploit them one. That is the true evil of US imperialism, it didn't even seek to claim land and subjects. Because when you conquer a place you have certain obligations to its people to care for them if only in pretense. Not so much when you make one sided trade deals with the help of your military/intelligence force. Hey it's free trade, it's all good and consensual! No it's not, it is only free in the sense there are few regulations and tariffs which tends to fuck over the weaker country, as intended.
That is the great trick western imperialism pulled, it realized that it is much better to rent the world than conquer it.
Well, sure, I don't disagree. It would be a horrible thing, but end of the line it would most certainly be better for all involved if it's made clear that we don't want to replace cultures and that the opportunity for them to spread theirs is now much more real. Better medicine, better infrastructure, laws against the "bribe" culture that is prevailing in businesses, etc.

But yeah, like you said. Major ethical concerns.

I'd like to say the US can go in, fix it, and then retreat leaving them to their own devices, but that would, in the end, just help to reinforce the negative aspects of the already existing power structures, I think. And would also be a long term project that is going to have support wane and grow as politics shift in the United States.

Obviously, I'd say a stronger relationship between us and them would work much better, and it should honestly be obvious choice, but international politics don't work that way.
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I should probably have highlighted "most culturally rich". My bad.

Strongest, I guess, could be said. (Though how much of that capital comes from legitimate sources...)
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I should probably have highlighted "most culturally rich". My bad.

Strongest, I guess, could be said. (Though how much of that capital comes from legitimate sources...)
I mean, even culturally rich.. It has many times more world heritage sites, from what I understand the language in Mexico is vastly different than the rest of the central American nations due to the adaption of Mayan and other culture's words and slang used in their Spanish (Brazil is Portuguese, to be fair). I guess you might be able to say that Brazil's culture varies more between the different areas than Mexico?

To be fair, I'm not overly familiar with Brazil's culture. Or Mexico, aside from what I know of from a decade ago when I did some studying on it.
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I mean, the entire area is corrupt as hell, you have refugees fleeing the area in droves, criminal organizations, ineffective government and that isn't going to change as long as America is seen as a way out. The options are, quite plainly, to tighten up security to the south and let things take their course, backing the faction we want in power, a course that has, throughout history, backfired on us, or take it ourselves, ensuring a (relatively) corruption free government and infrastructure is put in, and our military force used to destroy the drug cartels, growing fields, etc.


Even Mexico, by far the strongest and most culturally rich Latin American nation, bodies are left hanging from bridges, dismembered corpses found in trash bags on the street, and if you are to believe some of the people who've actually been in some of the impoverished areas in Mexico and to the south, as the poor there build homes out of trash, there are dead bodies in the streets of the ultra poor areas as well.

Military soldiers are defecting to drug cartels.

And it is ALL America's problem, due to our borders.

So yes, I am 100% behind fixing their problems by force, and the only way to do that is to absorb those nations, because donations and money just gets funneled to the bad actors. PR needs to become a state already as well.
As someone who has actually been to some of the impoverished areas in Southern Mexico, this is a load of horseshit. Yes, police and politicians are corrupt, drug cartels have stupid amounts of influence and money, what else is new? But the apocalyptic wasteland you're describing is far from the reality. Average folks and tourists (like myself) are left to live their lives for the most part. Activists, students, journalists, etc who stand up to the Cartels know what they are getting into when they do so (and God bless em, because they are braver than I am), but average people are just living their everyday lives. The major criminal areas are near the borders, not in the country's interior. The northern desert states (aka the narco drug corridors) are much more dangerous than the southern areas with the exception of certain routes along the Guatemala border.

Tackling corruption in the government is something both the USA and Mexico need to do from within. An armed intervention, however well-intended, would be catastrophic for so many reasons, not the least of which is that the thriving narco trade and economic woes of the present-day can reasonably be traced back to US intervention in decades past.

I believe economic incentives such as freer trade/movement across the border and decriminalization of drugs would go a lot further than any armed intervention if they are pursued in good faith and common sense.
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As someone who has actually been to some of the impoverished areas in Southern Mexico, this is a load of horseshit. Yes, police and politicians are corrupt, drug cartels have stupid amounts of influence and money, what else is new? But the apocalyptic wasteland you're describing is far from the reality. Average folks and tourists (like myself) are left to live their lives for the most part. Activists, students, journalists, etc who stand up to the Cartels know what they are getting into when they do so (and God bless em, because they are braver than I am), but average people are just living their everyday lives. The major criminal areas are near the borders, not in the country's interior. The northern desert states (aka the narco drug corridors) are much more dangerous than the southern areas with the exception of certain routes along the Guatemala border.

Tackling corruption in the government is something both the USA and Mexico need to do from within. An armed intervention, however well-intended, would be catastrophic for so many reasons, not the least of which is that the thriving narco trade and economic woes of the present-day can reasonably be traced back to US intervention in decades past.

I believe economic incentives such as freer trade/movement across the border and decriminalization of drugs would go a lot further than any armed intervention if they are pursued in good faith and common sense.
I mean, tourists dont usually go to the bad parts. There is an AnCap place down in southern mexico that had people bust into a room and shoot a guy. Kidnappings are common if you go to the wrong area. Most of the things I listed are from news wrticles in the last two years

Drug cartels are so influencial they have hip hop groups and shit amongst the gangs

With that being said, i certainly support (to a degree) legalization of drugs. Not so much an easier to cross border.
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I mean, tourists dont usually go to the bad parts. There is an AnCap place down in southern mexico that had people bust into a room and shoot a guy. Kidnappings are common if you go to the wrong area. Most of the things I listed are from news wrticles in the last two years

Drug cartels are so influencial they have hip hop groups and shit amongst the gangs

With that being said, i certainly support (to a degree) legalization of drugs. Not so much an easier to cross border.
Not for nothing, I was in Chiapas, one of the poorest states in Mexico (and sharing a border with Guatemala), and felt safe the entire time.

In a country as large and populous as Mexico, and bearing in mind the aforementioned points about narco-terrorism and poverty, being able to pull up multiple articles about crime in the past two years is obvious. Bad news has wings and all that. When I was in Oaxaca, there were ancap/socialist demonstrators in the city square holding signs, but there were also children singing Christmas songs on the other side of the square. It's a massive and complex nation, and reductive statements only do harm.

Anyway, I agree that US military power could help in many ways, but taking over the country is god damned ridiculous. By that reasoning, another country could argue that the USA deserves to be conquered because there is crime and poverty here too. Is there an event horizon for endemic corruption whereby a nation is open to conquest by their neighbors?
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Not for nothing, I was in Chiapas, one of the poorest states in Mexico (and sharing a border with Guatemala), and felt safe the entire time.

In a country as large and populous as Mexico, and bearing in mind the aforementioned points about narco-terrorism and poverty, being able to pull up multiple articles about crime in the past two years is obvious. Bad news has wings and all that. When I was in Oaxaca, there were ancap/socialist demonstrators in the city square holding signs, but there were also children singing Christmas songs on the other side of the square. It's a massive and complex nation, and reductive statements only do harm.

Anyway, I agree that US military power could help in many ways, but taking over the country is god damned ridiculous. By that reasoning, another country could argue that the USA deserves to be conquered because there is crime and poverty here too. Is there an event horizon for endemic corruption whereby a nation is open to conquest by their neighbors?
Its less that crime and poverty exist, and more that the problems directly effect the United States. I think that, obviously, a way to do it without annexation would be better, but getting that to happen is impossible, in part because of the existing corruption.

I mean, we want to talk ethics and morals, but the reality is, Ethical and moral reasons to commit already exist, and its not good enough to get the nations involved to fix the problems.

Mexico and the US both need to work to stop the corruption, and I'd much prefer it be a mutually friendly thing. But if not, America shouldnt sit by and do nothing. Its got a responsibility to its citizens to stop drug flow, human trafficking, and many of the other issues that flow upwards
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I mean, even culturally rich.. It has many times more world heritage sites, from what I understand the language in Mexico is vastly different than the rest of the central American nations due to the adaption of Mayan and other culture's words and slang used in their Spanish (Brazil is Portuguese, to be fair). I guess you might be able to say that Brazil's culture varies more between the different areas than Mexico?

To be fair, I'm not overly familiar with Brazil's culture. Or Mexico, aside from what I know of from a decade ago when I did some studying on it.
Brazil and Mexico aren't the only Latin American countries.

I don't presume to know which Latin American country is most "culturally rich", if such an assertion can even be made and proven, but I am definitely certain that there are other countries that have just as much to offer as Mexico. I certainly would not limit myself merely to the amount of world heritage sites. Culture encompasses so many other things like great artists or writers and their works, dances, traditional festivals, traditional handwork, etc.

Also, all Latin American nations use indigenous words, some of which have become a part of standard Spanish. You need only go to places like Bolivia and Peru, which have the largest percentage of indigenous populations among all Latin American countries, to see that this is not simply a Mexican phenomenon.
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