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Old 02-15-2017, 09:40 PM
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So....

This Flynn stuff has been floating around for nearly a month now, with the FBI clearing and releasing some of the stuff talked about.

Kind of wondering why its an issue now and notb3 weeks ago, when afaik, no new information was found.....
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:21 PM
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So....

This Flynn stuff has been floating around for nearly a month now, with the FBI clearing and releasing some of the stuff talked about.

Kind of wondering why its an issue now and notb3 weeks ago, when afaik, no new information was found.....
It was always an issue. Flynn was just finally cornered enough that he had to resign. Hopefully, they'll lock him up, too. The new information consists of recordings of calls, by the way.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politi...ynn/index.html
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:46 PM
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It was always an issue. Flynn was just finally cornered enough that he had to resign. Hopefully, they'll lock him up, too. The new information consists of recordings of calls, by the way.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politi...ynn/index.html
FBI already cleared those.

They would find it exceedingly difficult go lock him up.

People like to bandy about the Logan act (which is the only real shot), but its literally never been used. There is no procedure to even use it. Even beyond that, even if the very worst is true (the FBI said its not already, but that means about as little as any other report), the most you can get is "told Russia the incoming administration doesnt think like Obama on Russia"..... Which, I mean... Trumps twitter did that.

There are issues here. Even if he did, its going to be an extremely hard thing to prosecute. Dont get your hopes up. Unless your hopes are to skip due process and throw him in jail.

Its a bigger deal that he lied, and THAT breach of trust is worth firing.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:06 PM
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It was always an issue. Flynn was just finally cornered enough that he had to resign. Hopefully, they'll lock him up, too. The new information consists of recordings of calls, by the way.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politi...ynn/index.html
There's no reason to believe he intended to do anything wrong.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:12 PM
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There's no reason to believe he intended to do anything wrong.
I didn't realize being fucking moronic was an excuse.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:14 PM
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Man, people on one side wanting to lock members of the other side up? Who would do that?!
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:16 PM
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I didn't realize being fucking moronic was an excuse.
Like, say, hosting a private server.



But seriously though, thats actually a valid concern post Clinton, and there were a few legal centric sites talking about the consequences and implications of what the media was calling at the time the "Clinton Special".

Its part of the reason I said even if worst case scenario is true, legal action between than and the Logan act would be extremely difficult.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:39 PM
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Mens rea would have been required for the charge that Clinton was accused of. The one Felonious Flynn is being accused of does not due to it being inherent to the accusation.
Welcome to America. We have laws. You can try to find more false equivalencies if you like, though.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:55 AM
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There isnt really a law against that though...

Again, maybe the logan act..

But even if there was, Mens Rae isnt inherent. actus reus is.
You might (maybe) be able to pull off the crime of making a false statement, since he told Pence he didnt mention sanctions....

But even for that to happen, proof of wanting to intentionally cause harm is needed, and chances of it being investigated and prosecuted are EXTREMELY slim since he resigned.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:47 AM
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Did Trump make Flynn resign?
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Old 02-16-2017, 05:16 AM
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Did Trump make Flynn resign?
As far as from what I'm gathering it was the Bill Clinton effect.
It wasn't the actual act of talking with the Russians that was the problem as much as it was about lying about it to people's faces.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:07 AM
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:23 AM
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There was an interview back in 2011, where Trump was asked about China. He stated he's very well read on the subject, and the reporter, expecting another palin moment where he floundered around, asked him the titles of a few.

He rattled off 20 books, from economic policy to details on China's humanitarian works in Africa.

I think China is far more likely to be adressed financially than through military action
Since this is the guy who doesn't read his own briefings I doubt he read it. He just remembered the titles and parroted them back.

Honestly I think trump will be impeached within two years
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:48 AM
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Honestly I think trump will be impeached within two years
Nah, impeachment is exceedingly rare in American politics for several reasons and even then getting impeached doesn't mean that they are forced to leave office.

You can go through the list:

Andrew Johnson (1868): Stayed in office/finished term
Bill Clinton (1998): Stayed in office/finished term

Richard Nixon (1972): Resigned before he was impeached

And that's it... 45 presidents and only 2 were actually impeached.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:06 AM
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Some conservatives can strive to be overlords or even cerebrates while others can only be lowly angry zerglings.
FTFY. Describes business republicans and their redneck followers to a tee
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:29 AM
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Nah, impeachment is exceedingly rare in American politics for several reasons and even then getting impeached doesn't mean that they are forced to leave office.

You can go through the list:

Andrew Johnson (1868): Stayed in office/finished term
Bill Clinton (1998): Stayed in office/finished term

Richard Nixon (1972): Resigned before he was impeached

And that's it... 45 presidents and only 2 were actually impeached.
Saying "It hasn't really happened before, so don't worry about it" isn't much of an argument.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:18 AM
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FTFY. Describes business republicans and their redneck followers to a tee
Reminder that Redneck is a racial slur popularly applied to poor union workers and coal miners, generally used to bash and lable as loutish, lazy uneducated heathens.

Just as an FYI.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:29 AM
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Reminder that Redneck is a racial slur popularly applied to poor union workers and coal miners, generally used to bash and lable as loutish, lazy uneducated heathens.

Just as an FYI.
Besides, we redneck conservatives are clearly Terran units.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:58 AM
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I've got to say, Mattis seems a very very good pick.
I'm curious if he will be able to get some results in procurement's reform in the next four years.
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:07 PM
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FTFY. Describes business republicans and their redneck followers to a tee
When you claim to be the party of the poor but you hate poor people.
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Old 02-16-2017, 02:46 PM
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When you claim to be the party of the poor but you hate poor people.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:37 PM
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I've got to say, Mattis seems a very very good pick.
I'm curious if he will be able to get some results in procurement's reform in the next four years.
Mattis was actually one of the big reasons I started warming up to Trump. As a veteran I am very happy to see people who have worn the uniform put in charge of the defense department, especially a marine whose job doesn't really have a civilian counterpart. You could really tell some of the past leaders didn't really understand how their actions impacted the people under them.

Anything that goes after something like procurement is okay to me. I witnesses the sequestration rip through the DoD and that along with the aftermath was very unpleasant for the people at the bottom. People were forced out under a bottom 5% hunger games system and then the better performers were left behind to pick up the slack and an expanded mission. You couldn't just quit because you were locked in contract so more deployments and longer work weeks just became the norm. Historically that is how budget cuts have usually worked and I don't think most people know that or simply don't want to believe it. It should be avoided by targeting non-security related things or drawing down the mission instead of just overburdening the remaining force.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:07 PM
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When you claim to be the party of the poor but you hate poor people.
Not really. I understand that many of them are disadvantaged. Pointing out that many of them vote for the same politicians who cheerfully screw them over is not "hatred." A lot of poor conservatives DO tend to sabotage themselves though. The Democrats aint much better but the fact remains that most poor people who vote republicans are screwing themselves over.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:10 PM
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Not really. I understand that many of them are disadvantaged. Pointing out that many of them vote for the same politicians who cheerfully screw them over is not "hatred." A lot of poor conservatives DO tend to sabotage themselves though. The Democrats aint much better but the fact remains that most poor people who vote republicans are screwing themselves over.
If you think people vote against their best interests do you think democracy is a failure?
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:27 PM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7584481.html

Should we just assume that anything he says is a lie until proven true?
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