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Old 10-29-2015, 02:26 PM
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But it's Sweden.

Does Syria and the Middle East not have IKEA?
It's not the middle-eastern people burning the refugees. It's the foot soldiers of the nationalistic party, becoming terrorists to fight refugees who they... suspect of being terrorists.

It doesn't make much sense, no.
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Old 10-29-2015, 02:47 PM
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It's not the middle-eastern people burning the refugees. It's the foot soldiers of the nationalistic party, becoming terrorists to fight refugees who they... suspect of being terrorists.

It doesn't make much sense, no.
Looking more at the locations that Sweden has to put people. Last I checked, Sweden wasn't densely populated and therefore you are going to end up with people in a lot of rural and heavily forested areas, and Sweden doesn't have the same international reputation that other countries seem to have when it comes to refugees and all that.

And check out this really cool interactive map of the refugee flows into Europe.
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Old 10-30-2015, 10:36 PM
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:12 AM
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The European Parliament has voted to support a nonbinding resolution that calls on EU member states to protect NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden from extradition. On Thursday, the parliament voted 285-281 to "prevent [Snowden's] extradition or rendition by third parties, in recognition of his status as whistle-blower and international human rights defender." Snowden celebrated the vote in a tweet, calling it a "game changer."
Holy shit, they actually did something constructive for once.
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Old 10-31-2015, 09:05 AM
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Holy shit, they actually did something constructive for once.
I'm utterly chocked, I thought the EU had it's lips glued to the american cock.
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Old 10-31-2015, 11:14 AM
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You are suppose to report fraud, waste, and abuse to the Inspector General or a member of congress. There can't be a precedent where anyone can just share government secrets because it endangers people out in the field. It has to be done in a responsible way. If the courts don't deem that sort of surveillance illegal it is up to the legislative branch to pass legislation to make it so.

A reason that resolution is considered non-binding is because member states with extradition treaties to the US will still hand him over where he can face trial by a jury of his peers. Those nations wouldn't like it if the US harbored fugitives from their respective countries nor would they want to hurt their beneficial relationship with the United States.
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Old 10-31-2015, 11:28 AM
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Yea this is a rare time I'll agree with PJ and say these countries in the EU would demand extradition of someone that was hiding in the US that leaked information from their governments.
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Old 10-31-2015, 11:45 AM
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If you think someone like Snowden will get anything resembling a fair trial you are utterly naive.

Just like everything in America, the media have tried to make the entire affair more about Snowden and "whether or not he's a traitor" - instead of focusing on the absolutely devastating nature of the information he revealed.

Snowden, in my opinion, is a hero. He voluntarily ruined his life in order to share critical information with the public.

Would many EU countries act similarly? Doubtful. Some might, such as the UK, since they have quite a lot to hide.
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Old 10-31-2015, 04:46 PM
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If you think someone like Snowden will get anything resembling a fair trial you are utterly naive.

Just like everything in America, the media have tried to make the entire affair more about Snowden and "whether or not he's a traitor" - instead of focusing on the absolutely devastating nature of the information he revealed.

Snowden, in my opinion, is a hero. He voluntarily ruined his life in order to share critical information with the public.

Would many EU countries act similarly? Doubtful. Some might, such as the UK, since they have quite a lot to hide.
He would get a fair trial. He broke the law and people that break the law get in trouble.
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Old 10-31-2015, 04:58 PM
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Countries that have something to hide are normally the only ones that have done anything worth talking about.
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:04 PM
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Countries that have something to hide are normally the only ones that have done anything worth talking about.
This nigga.

I also never really had any respect for "whistle blowers", who run.

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My other nigga.
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:08 PM
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I love the UK!
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:26 PM
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I also never really had any respect for "whistle blowers", who run.
No one is your nigga, and I don't trust the government to give a fair trial about potential treason.
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:31 PM
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No one is your nigga, and I don't trust the government to give a fair trial about potential treason.
Why not?
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Old 10-31-2015, 05:37 PM
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i would rather the government spied on me than some businesses.
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:16 PM
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The great American heroes of reform are those who stood up to corruption, consequences be damned: Rosa Parks, Hugh Thompson, Jr., and others.

Snowden revealed corruption, and then ran away to noted bastions of liberty like the People's Republic of China and Russia. It's the height of naivet? to think that either country would allow him to stay without getting some detailed information in return.

So no, I do not consider him a hero. I'd like to see him share a cell with some of the people he exposed.
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:24 PM
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lol if you think the EU parliament has any power over this
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:51 PM
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Implying Snowden would even go to Europe.
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:53 PM
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No one is your nigga, and I don't trust the government to give a fair trial about potential treason.
I have lotsa niggas, my nigga.
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Old 10-31-2015, 06:53 PM
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Why not?
Why should I?

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I have lotsa niggas, my nigga.
On your arrest record? Sure. Descendants of slaves? Sure.
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Old 10-31-2015, 07:07 PM
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Why should I?



On your arrest record? Sure. Descendants of slaves? Sure.
Why do you like criminals so much?
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Old 10-31-2015, 07:08 PM
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Why do you like criminals so much?
I'm black?
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Old 10-31-2015, 07:12 PM
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I'm black?
That isn't an excuse. The US is a nation of laws and not arbitrary feels.
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Old 10-31-2015, 09:08 PM
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That isn't an excuse. The US is a nation of laws and not arbitrary feels.
It's like why you and I love our Dad's so much, it's the heritage of our color.
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Old 10-31-2015, 09:16 PM
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That isn't an excuse. The US is a nation of laws and not arbitrary feels.
Not all laws are just, and justice should take precedence over laws.
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