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Old 11-07-2015, 03:31 PM
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That's not even my point. My point is: what the fuck is 'love' supposed to be?

You say there's a difference between the love of a friend and the love of a spouse. I say yes, there is, you are probably sexually attracted to your spouse.

You say there is a difference between the love of a friend and the love of a family member, and I say bullshit. What difference is there?

What the hell is this phenomenon you call romance, because everything I've seen between two people can be explained in terms of friendship and sexual attraction. I fail to see any evidence of this illusive third property you've decided to wedge in between.
While it's common to be attracted to your spouse sexually at least part of the time I hardly think it's mandatory, my grandparents still love each other very much after all.

I'm puzzled, you acknowledge friendship but dismiss the possibility of romance being its own thing.

To me, friendship and love have always been two variants of the same thing, one might argue the defining difference is intensity.

They're not mutually exclusive at all, one can love their friends and family members, and by that same notion sexual/physical/aesthetic attractions are separate but often related to them.
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:35 PM
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:39 PM
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I'm puzzled, you acknowledge friendship but dismiss the possibility of romance being its own thing.
It's precisely because I acknowledge friendship, being the affection and respect afforded to someone whose presence you value, that I must refute the common conception of 'love' as something greater and transcendent over it.

The distinction between 'romantic' and 'sexual' attraction is nonsensical to me, because if 'romantic' attraction is simply a matter of emotional attachment than all friendship should be classified as such.
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:41 PM
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:44 PM
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It's precisely because I acknowledge friendship, being the affection and respect afforded to someone whose presence you value, that I must refute the common conception of 'love' as something greater and transcendent over it.

The distinction between 'romantic' and 'sexual' attraction is nonsensical to me, because if 'romantic' attraction is simply a matter of emotional attachment than all friendship should be classified as such.
1. Anyone who thinks love is transcendent or greater than friendship is mistaken in my opinion.

2. Sexual is physical, and in less intimate cases there's aesthetic attraction (Ie: that person looks good and I appreciate that they look good but I am not interested in lewds with them).

Romantic is simply a different kind of emotional, the same way labradors and bulldogs are both kinds of dogs.
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:48 PM
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Romantic is simply a different kind of emotional, the same way labradors and bulldogs are both kinds of dogs.
...That's fighting dirty. Now I need to scrutinize that analogy and figure out exactly how well it fits the current discussion, effectively paralyzing me for an hour or more.
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:54 PM
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:55 PM
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Ofc love exists. We made it. Does a wrench exist?
We invented the concept of truth, too, but good fucking luck finding it.
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:58 PM
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We invented the concept of truth, too, but good fucking luck finding it.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:00 PM
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Romance is probably just some combination of strong friendship combined with sexual attraction. Exactly when you cross that line from friendship to romance is different from person to person.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:02 PM
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...That's fighting dirty. Now I need to scrutinize that analogy and figure out exactly how well it fits the current discussion, effectively paralyzing me for an hour or more.
I'm not trying to fight dirty, I'm just saying that there's a distinction between what people feel for their direct family (usually), or their significant other, and what they feel for people they know as more casual acquaintances.

It's not easy to articulate, emotional and mental things rarely are for people.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:07 PM
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Of course love exist, it just doesn't exist on everyone.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:08 PM
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Romance is probably just some combination of strong friendship combined with sexual attraction. Exactly when you cross that line from friendship to romance is different from person to person.
romance is noting that you like this person, so you attempt to curry their favour with guestures.

love is finding compatibility with the others hobbies/temperment.

lust is 90^ of what we feel.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:13 PM
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Romance is probably just some combination of strong friendship combined with sexual attraction. Exactly when you cross that line from friendship to romance is different from person to person.
That's what I'm saying!
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:14 PM
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Meh.
What is love, baby don't ban me, don't ban me, no more!

Everything exists on a range.
There is associates
There are friends
There are close friends
There are gray area friends
Then there are lovers.

What makes it "love" is the intensity.

I can't really say anything in relation to family dynamics however as I had really messed up family dynamics.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:15 PM
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That's what I'm saying!
We have words for chemical compounds and things even if they're just two things put together so i don't see what the big deal about acknowledging love as a mixture of other emotional and mental factors is.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:16 PM
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my grandparents still love each other very much after all.
And they probably bang far more often than you're comfortable imagining.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:17 PM
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And they probably bang far more often than you're comfortable imagining.
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:24 PM
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Sadly they're at the upper ranges of physical frailty due to their age, so I doubt it.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:26 PM
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That's what I'm saying!
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:32 PM
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:36 PM
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We have words for chemical compounds and things even if they're just two things put together so i don't see what the big deal about acknowledging love as a mixture of other emotional and mental factors is.
It's not a big deal! The big deal is saying that love is more than the sum of its parts!
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:37 PM
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But people tell me they love me.
I like your avatars.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:38 PM
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I like your avatars.
But you do not love them. You just friendzoned her avatars.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:42 PM
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But you do not love them. You just friendzoned her avatars.
I'd do much more to her avatars. Nova's a hottie, i just wish she wore some actual clothes every now and then.
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