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Old 12-03-2006, 08:18 PM
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Undead Icon (War3) Single Most Powerfull Being

As the name sugests, who is the most powerfull being? Also what's the difference between a titan and an old god? Becasue in the "war of the ancient" books wernt the old gods ready to kill sargarous(sp) without any problem?
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Old 12-03-2006, 08:38 PM
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It's Sargeras period, no one can match him one vs one.

The three would have only won that fight because they had the uber-cheap Demon Soul for their use.
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Old 12-03-2006, 09:09 PM
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Agreed, Sargeras the Daemonlord of the Burning Legion is probably the single most powerful being that actually has fought things. Elune doesn't count because she doesn't fight anyone.
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:22 PM
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It most likely is Sargares; there could be some titans who may be more powerful - although unlikely - but they aren't exactly doing much fighting (Aman`thul and Eonar are two who come to mind). As for the Old Gods, well we really don't know how powerful they are. The war between the titans and the Old Gods... we don't really know what it was composed of, how many titans were there, etc etc.
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Old 12-04-2006, 05:32 AM
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I'd say that the more powerful being we know about is Elune. In terms of fighting prowess, I'd say Sargeras, simply because Elune chooses not to fight (but, if she did, she would be very powerful due to her divine magic abilities).

About the Old Gods, we have only seen C'thun in action to some extent as he is very weak, and the Three can only exert a small influence on the Material Plane in their current state. In WotA it is unclear if, one-on-one, a single Old God at full power could beat Sargeras, but the Three would definitely make him their bitch (if you add C'thun and the one at Master's Glaive, imagine how powerful they were before the Ordering!).

Besides Elune and the Old Gods, the only other true gods he know of are Nath, the Earthmother and An'she, but it is unclear how powerful they are or even if they exist at all.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:57 AM
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The Earthmother is a spirit more than a god really, and Nath isn't even confirmed as really existing.

If a no name Titan could take down C'Thun, I think Sargeras the Destroyer could.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:01 AM
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If a no name Titan could take down C'Thun, I think Sargeras the Destroyer could.
Still, the current C´thun in Ahn Qiraj right now is weaker than it was when he dueled that Titan.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:07 AM
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I know that, I'm just saying that in his prime he was defeated by a Titan that was probably not a member of the Pantheon, and if this Titan could have defeated him than why not Sargeras the strongest of them all?
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:15 AM
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Yeah, Sargeras would wipe his sorry ass, no doubt about that.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:08 AM
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How many titans there are? Is there army of them serving under the Pantheon?
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:52 AM
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The Titans are a race.... so yes, they have a literaly army I assume.

Who is Nath? and when did Elune ever chose to fight, ever?

And agreed with everyone else.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:44 AM
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Well if you want to get technical, Elune fights all the time, since many of the offensive powers of the Night Elf Priests come from her directly. Yes, she is not the one deciding to send the bolts, but its still her power being granted to one of her chosen to kill an enemy. Think of Starfire, Moonfire, Starfall, etc...

As for the Old Gods vs Titans debate. The Titans did lose a lot of warriors in the war with the Old Gods, but they had the power of the Elemental Lords and the entire elemental races with them, who were not pushovers either. I think the Old Gods thinking they could destroy Sargeras, once they were free is just wishful thinking from them. They possibly killed a lot of Titan "peons" and didn't really take the time to think that Sargeras was 100x more powerful then the average Titan.

I think if anything all of them versus full-power Sargeras would be an "even" match, not the Old Gods overpowering him, that might just be me though.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:46 AM
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Who is Nath?
God and Creator of the Ogres, its said that Nath created the Gronn, from which the Ogre race was born.

The Mok'Nathal, half ogres, litterally means "The Sons of Nath".
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:01 AM
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Aye, Nath is the ogre war god. Magusrogue said that it is not known whether or not he actually exists, however.

I too share Scyth's opinion about the OG/Sargeras. I just simply doubt a being of Sargeras' power would be a pushover to anyone, it's just not possible. Unless we all start getting into the "DBZ" stage of WC where there is always something insanely more powerful than what you thought existed. Case in point.

"WHAT! NINE THOUSAND!!!!!"
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:48 AM
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I think that Sargeras is the most powerful being in the universe than can((/could)) use his power easily, and not like Elune.

And I really wanna now more of Nath...




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"WHAT! NINE THOUSAND!!!!!"
"IT IS OVER NINE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUSAND!!!!!!!!!"

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Old 12-04-2006, 12:22 PM
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Well Elune doesn't even actively give her power to her priests, according the the rules of Warcraft magic no gods/beings give a priest his or her powers directly. Their faith in that being/god/force, however, allows the priest to tap into that divine power and thus use it.
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:53 PM
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Well Elune doesn't even actively give her power to her priests, according the the rules of Warcraft magic no gods/beings give a priest his or her powers directly. Their faith in that being/god/force, however, allows the priest to tap into that divine power and thus use it.
The War of the Ancients Trilogy would disagree on some levels.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:11 PM
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Yeah, Elune overall (but unlikely that it'd matter), Sargeras in terms of fighting.

I imagine the list would go something like:

Elune (but passive)
Sargeras
Titans
Old Gods
Demonlords (i.e. Kil'jaeden) / Lich King

With the last couple debatable but I'd say Kil'jaeden and the Lich King are about on par with each other. I don't know if either are more powerful than the Old Gods but I doubt it. After that list you have to throw in the Dragon Aspects, Demigods (like Cenarius), Elemental Lords (i.e. Ragnaros, Neptulon, etc.), Illidan, etc. probably in that order.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:20 PM
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Yeah, Elune overall (but unlikely that it'd matter), Sargeras in terms of fighting.

I imagine the list would go something like:

Elune (but passive)
Sargeras
Titans
Old Gods
Demonlords (i.e. Kil'jaeden) / Lich King

With the last couple debatable but I'd say Kil'jaeden and the Lich King are about on par with each other. I don't know if either are more powerful than the Old Gods but I doubt it. After that list you have to throw in the Dragon Aspects, Demigods (like Cenarius), Elemental Lords (i.e. Ragnaros, Neptulon, etc.), Illidan, etc. probably in that order.
So, is Sargeras more powerfull then regular titans and those of the pantheon? Also who is the earthmother and this other god metioned earlier in the thread?
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Old 12-04-2006, 04:26 PM
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So, is Sargeras more powerfull then regular titans and those of the pantheon?
Yep.
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:21 PM
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holy shit, the brother is tough
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:09 PM
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God and Creator of the Ogres, its said that Nath created the Gronn, from which the Ogre race was born.

The Mok'Nathal, half ogres, litterally means "The Sons of Nath".
I remember i saw somewhere that MagusRogue admitted he made up the Nath thing. I'm not very sure, though.

And did Warlock say the Mok'Nathal are experiments?
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:20 PM
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The War of the Ancients Trilogy would disagree on some levels.
Well in Of Blood and Honor the paladins and priests clearly worship the Light, but Blizzard still claims no one actually worships anything in Warcraft apparantly.

Magus didn't make up Nath because it's information in the Horde Player's Guide. The Mok'Nathal were experiments by the orcs by breeding orc with ogre to create super warriors. They proved too independant, however, so they scrapped the project.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:57 PM
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Magus didn't make up Nath because it's information in the Horde Player's Guide. The Mok'Nathal were experiments by the orcs by breeding orc with ogre to create super warriors. They proved too independant, however, so they scrapped the project.
Nath in the Horde Player Guide?
Could you please excerpt a paragraph of two?
I want more details!!
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:00 PM
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It just says he's the Ogre War God, and that Mok'Nathal means literally "Children of Nath." That's it, nothing more at all.
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