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Old 12-03-2017, 02:18 PM
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I have to prove Noitora-Kyalin wrong.
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:29 PM
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No.

I hated him when he first showed up in WC3, and every single expansion, game, patch, every single novel, book, short story, every comic, manga, audio drama and interview he's appeared in has either cemented the existing reasons I hate him or given me new reasons to hate him.

It's a monotonically increasing hatred.
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Old 12-03-2017, 03:13 PM
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Love is a strong word. I only hated him in Cata, but before and after that I wouldn't go so far as to say I love him either. He's just there.
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Old 12-03-2017, 05:03 PM
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Not sure about love but I do like the character. They just need to bring back the WC3 version.
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:33 AM
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1. You forgot a question mark.
2. I’m not Kyalin.
3. What even is the WC3 version that people liked?
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:52 AM
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Not unconditionally; Garrosh and the Forsaken are totally his fault. But overall, yes. He's not my favorite character, not even my favorite leader (well, ex-leader) or even orc, but he has a good head on his shoulders, even if i wish he'd use it more often. Thrall can take over the Horde anytime he wants; in the meanwhile i'm following my own head canon where Bob and Bane have established a bromance-dual-leadership while Sylvanas' delirious body-prison is pissing and drooling in a corner, tied to Varian via a streight jacket.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:35 AM
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Unfortunately, I can't vote yes. I don't love Thrall. But I don't hate him either. You made a poor choice of words and options in the poll.

Thrall was the best Warchief the Horde ever had. He was not a bad leader, however, as time went on, he lost control. He let old vices return, he cared not for the quality of those he allowed to get in. When push came fo shove, he faltered, and ultimately it led to the Horde going aimless and, finally, returning to a semblance of its old destructive self.

I expected Vol'jin to pick up the pieces and lead to a Horde reformation. Then Blizzard killed him. Oh, wel...

Thrall is a character that needs penance. He needs to admit his mistakes, to learn from them, and then to pick up his hammer and smash some sense on the Horde leadership. He needs to take the reigns again and make the Horde what it should have been post-Warcraft 3.

I'm hoping his questline in BfA leads to his redemption. And that Vol'jin's spirit guides him along the way.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:02 AM
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Don't hate him, don't love him. He had some good moments usually in his increasingly distant past, and he had a lot of cringe moments.

Really should have added that as an option since it seems to be the majority opinion.
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:44 AM
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Who are those six, though? One's Noitora because he's always all like 'fuck you, Anansi' but what about the other five? Terrorhoof and Asterisk might have voted 'yes' even though they stated 'no.'
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:57 AM
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I'm voting "Yes" to even the scales and stick up to the underdog option.
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:12 PM
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Pretty sure I voted no, so fuck you Anansi.
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:37 PM
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Nothing about Thrall makes sense, really. He's some nobody from a camp who starts what's in effect a new religious movement, starts a fucking global superpower in a desert without any resources with a population that fit on a handful of boats and then spends years failing to fucking run it.
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:35 PM
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Nothing about Thrall makes sense, really. He's some nobody from a camp who starts what's in effect a new religious movement, starts a fucking global superpower in a desert without any resources with a population that fit on a handful of boats and then spends years failing to fucking run it.
Gods yeah the orc population is... a mess.

It can only work imo, if he had other ships follow after the original trip, bringing over more orcs or something.

Hopefully Chronicle 3 sets it all right.
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:28 AM
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Nothing about Thrall makes sense, really. He's some nobody from a camp who starts what's in effect a new religious movement, starts a fucking global superpower in a desert without any resources with a population that fit on a handful of boats and then spends years failing to fucking run it.
There were probably more boats than that. Blizzard is admittedly not top notch when it comes to depicting mass migrations, populations, or a sense of scale.

Also, I don't think that Thrall starts a new religious movement, as he rekindles the fires of the marginalized religion that the orcs had abandoned on Draenor after believing their spirits had left them.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:15 AM
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:01 PM
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I'm very late to the punch on this, but I don't remember making any recent assertions about how Thrall is viewed. Other fish to fry and all that.

I will say that I think WoW ruined him... fits a pattern, actually.
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:07 PM
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But...this thread proves the exact opposite?
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:53 PM
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No, I do not love Thrall. Not in the slightest.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:24 PM
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I'm very late to the punch on this, but I don't remember making any recent assertions about how Thrall is viewed. Other fish to fry and all that.

I will say that I think WoW ruined him... fits a pattern, actually.
I think you exhibited him in defense of Sylvanas.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:49 PM
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I think you exhibited him in defense of Sylvanas.
I'm confused, what exactly are you talking about?
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:44 PM
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I'm confused, what exactly are you talking about?
...Am I not talking about you? Was it Krainz?
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:51 PM
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...Am I not talking about you? Was it Krainz?
I'm not sure.

I mean, the reason I'm confused is because I have said that I don't think that prior to BfA she was strictly speaking evil. But, that's not necessarily agreement with or a defense of her prior actions. I just want to be sure of what you're referencing so that I can properly address it.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:13 PM
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I'm not sure.

I mean, the reason I'm confused is because I have said that I don't think that prior to BfA she was strictly speaking evil. But, that's not necessarily agreement with or a defense of her prior actions. I just want to be sure of what you're referencing so that I can properly address it.
Noitora's thread was prompted by (I think) our exchange in the "How can the Horde have a legit case to fight/loath the Alliance now?" thread. Not as many people voted that they hated Thrall as I would have expected, but I figured that was just because hate was too strong a word for some, so I made this one to prove that not many people really like Thrall all that much.

Anyway, you said something to the effect of 'people who hate Sylvanas for being a Mary Sue are hypocrites because everyone on this site seems to like Mary Sue Prime aka Thrall so much'.
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There were probably more boats than that. Blizzard is admittedly not top notch when it comes to depicting mass migrations, populations, or a sense of scale.

Also, I don't think that Thrall starts a new religious movement, as he rekindles the fires of the marginalized religion that the orcs had abandoned on Draenor after believing their spirits had left them.
Thrall's shamanism is about as authentic as Mormonism. There's a lot of Tauren spirituality mixed in (it's run by the Earthen ring, they venerate spirits like lo'gosh, etc). It's syncretic at best and revisionist at worst.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:17 PM
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Anyway, you said something to the effect of 'people who hate Sylvanas for being a Mary Sue are hypocrites because everyone on this site seems to like Mary Sue Prime aka Thrall so much'.
Yeah, I know that wasn't me.
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