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So... is Dishonored 2 worth buying considering the risk of it not running properly? Or should I wait?
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Why would anyone play a buggy game?
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Someone spotted me on the conservatory mission and I don't know where or when and all of my saves are past that point and there goes my ghost run.
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Someone spotted me on the conservatory mission and I don't know where or when and all of my saves are past that point and there goes my ghost run.
I never cared for ghost runs. What's the point of all these super powers if I people don't see me doing awesome stuff with them?
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Playing the Clockwork Mansion for the second time, I'm struck by just how much of a raw deal Jindosh gets. Compared to Ashworth and Copperspoon, for both of whom the game bends over backwards to drum up sympathy, he's constantly maligned by the protagonist, the Outsider and his own staff. And for what? He's no worse than Sokolov was at his prime (which is bad, but apparently not unforgivably so). Jindosh's only crime was choosing the wrong side.

Moreover, we're told he needs to die because he'll build a clockwork army for the Duke (whom we plan to kill in a few weeks, tops, anyway), but there's no way he'd be able to do that because his own notes tell us that without Sokolov's help he wouldn't be able to figure it out for years.

There's no reason this guy should have had to die, and even less reason we should have destroyed his beautiful mind and left him in a state worse than death. He could have done so much good if he had switched sides, and I do believe he would have, if only he had been given the chance.
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Playing the Clockwork Mansion for the second time, I'm struck by just how much of a raw deal Jindosh gets. Compared to Ashworth and Copperspoon, for both of whom the game bends over backwards to drum up sympathy, he's constantly maligned by the protagonist, the Outsider and his own staff. And for what? He's no worse than Sokolov was at his prime (which is bad, but apparently not unforgivably so). Jindosh's only crime was choosing the wrong side.

Moreover, we're told he needs to die because he'll build a clockwork army for the Duke (whom we plan to kill in a few weeks, tops, anyway), but there's no way he'd be able to do that because his own notes tell us that without Sokolov's help he wouldn't be able to figure it out for years.

There's no reason this guy should have had to die, and even less reason we should have destroyed his beautiful mind and left him in a state worse than death. He could have done so much good if he had switched sides, and I do believe he would have, if only he had been given the chance.
That's a shame, again, go on Arkane's forums too though, hopefully some of this gets through.
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Can you just leave him alive and unharmed? I've never tried.
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Can you just leave him alive and unharmed? I've never tried.
No. You have to either kill or lobotomize him. I already feel like a monster when I just kill him, so I'm not sure I'll have the stomach for a totally non-lethal playthrough. I guess I'll just hold my nose and close my eyes.

Compare Ashworth, whose non-lethal fate is to be left as whole and healthy as any other mortal, and Copperspoon, whose non-lethal fate is to be sealed inside her vision of paradise.

Not sure what the Duke's non-lethal fate is, but from dialog around the palace and the briefing clues I'd suspect it involves replacing him with his decoy.
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I was getting confused about why the Overseers in the Dust District kept exploding until I realized that their pathing was causing them to trip over their own damn whale oil tanks.
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Didn't Jindosh use that chair to lobotomize people(other than Sokolov) as well? I was reading that apparently there was an audiograph in which this is revealed, although I didn't find it myself.

The game's performance is rather wanting, I'd say, despite all the patching. At first I thought that it was running well, then I checked my settings and realised that everything was set to low on default. Wow.

I dunno, it seems a bit....short? I know that Dishonored 1 had 10 missions as well but they did seem to be quite a bit longer than this. I was so hyped up for the Dust District, but it was underwhelming. I thought they would flesh out the mines, but we never get a mission in which a mine is the focus. I mean, so many of the notes/audiographs/books etc deal with the fact that the mines are the lifeblood for the city and its' economy, and we do know that people like Lucia Pastor and Stilton(if he is saved from insanity) are trying to improve the plight of the miners, but we only ever get to read/hear about this, and never see it. I feel as if entire subplots were cut from the game. The Howler/Overseer conflict was not well fleshed out either.

Similarly, the Dreadful Wale is rather limited as well. The Hound Pits Pub, by contrast was filled with npcs, minor or major, who you could interact with. By contrast, the only constant npcs on the ship are Meagan Foster/Billy Lurk, and Sokolov. Hypatia and Stilton are only there for a short while, and other than a leak, a bonecharm in the water is the only side-activity to do over there. There seems to be no crew, either.


Also, a returning problem from Dishonored 1- the characters behave more like lifeless robots than living chunks of flesh. Their personalities are dull and bland. The dialogue implies they have motivations, yet the voice actors don't seem to care. They say everything as if they are just reading from a script, with no emotion, no sense of passion. There are exceptions, I suppose, like the voice actors of Sokolov and the Duke of Serkonos, and the protagonist you choose(although they are guilty of this thing too, every once in a while).

The narrative has no soul in it, it's just there, but that was a flaw of the first game as well.

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Didn't Jindosh use that chair to lobotomize people(other than Sokolov) as well?
Yeah, he did. He's a monster. But then again, so was Sokolov. In spite of their madness, in spite of the fact that they both chose the wrong sides, they both had the potential to do so much unimaginable good. The only difference is that Jindosh didn't have information that we needed, and so we didn't even try to take him alive.

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I dunno, it seems a bit....short? I know that Dishonored 1 had 10 missions as well but they did seem to be quite a bit longer than this. I was so hyped up for the Dust District, but it was underwhelming. I thought they would flesh out the mines, but we never get a mission in which a mine is the focus. I mean, so many of the notes/audiographs/books etc deal with the fact that the mines are the lifeblood for the city and its' economy, and we do know that people like Lucia Pastor and Stilton(if he is saved from insanity) are trying to improve the plight of the miners, but we only ever get to read/hear about this, and never see it. I feel as if entire subplots were cut from the game. The Howler/Overseer conflict was not well fleshed out either.
It really is too short, and I would have loved a mission where you infiltrate a mine shaft, but I still think A Crack in the Slab is a fucking amazing level.

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The narrative has no soul in it, it's just there, but that was a flaw of the first game as well.
I've heard people criticize the voice acting, but I just don't see that. The first game had kind of spotty voice acting, particularly where Pierro was concerned, but this time I think everyone did a perfectly adequate job.

The problem, and it's a big one, is the writing. For all Arkane's brilliance when it comes to developing a beautiful and expansive world, they can't write dialog for shit. The plot was trash and the characters were forced. This is the same problem the first game had, but I think it got worse this time around.
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Not sure what the Duke's non-lethal fate is, but from dialog around the palace and the briefing clues I'd suspect it involves replacing him with his decoy.
The Duke's non-lethal fate is getting replaced by his decoy, put into a mental asylum or something and having his tongue removed.
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If I recall correctly Sokolov was doing terrible things to try to cure the Rat Plague. Jindosh did terrible things because he liked to.


Overall I enjoyed it. Pretty sure it took me longer to finish than the first one. Guess we know what Daud's choices were. Anyone else thing that killing the witches shouldn't contribute to chaos? They were actively making crap worse. At least the city watch and overseers across both games were essential to preserving law and order and often weren't necessarily bad people just lied to.
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New+ is pretty good.
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I agree. That reminds me to continue my Corvo+ campaign. If you were to start again a 3rd time on a Newgame+ would you get all the runes from both playthroughs or just one?
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I know I give this game a lot of shit, but it's only because I adore the setting so deeply that the flaws in character and storytelling stand out so sharply. I'm not angry, Arkane, I'm just disappointed.
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I agree. That reminds me to continue my Corvo+ campaign. If you were to start again a 3rd time on a Newgame+ would you get all the runes from both playthroughs or just one?
It's compounding, as far as I know. So in theory you could unlock all of the powers and do some wacky things.
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But for real, in the "Death to the Outsider" trailer Billie's arm looks more organic than most tech I've seen, and her eye... looks almost like carved gemstone, what's up with those designs?


Also, seems they're in Tyvia?
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Maybe there will be two intros on how Billie goes from DH2 to this.
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Maybe there will be two intros on how Billie goes from DH2 to this.
I hope so. They could do it, too, because unlike Knife of Dunwall this seems to take place firmly after the events of the first gam. It would just be good sense to carry over your saved gamestate.
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Here's something super cool:

Calyxofawildflower, a notable fanfiction author in the Bioshock, Dishonored and Dragon Age fandoms, has announced that she's been hired as one of the head writers for Death of the Outsider. That's practically living the dream!

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So, I was one of two writers who, under the lead narrative designer and the creative director, wrote the text and dialogue for Dishonored 2: Death of The Outsider.

Working on the narrative team was an amazing experience and a wonderful opportunity. In collaboration with the lead narrative designer Sachka Duval and creative director Harvey Smith, I was responsible for the dialogue for the main characters (Billie, Daud, the Outsider) and innumerable in-game lorebooks and NPC conversations.

I’m really proud of what we’ve come up with and the story we’ve told and I’m so excited to share it with you all in September.
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I hope so. They could do it, too, because unlike Knife of Dunwall this seems to take place firmly after the events of the first gam. It would just be good sense to carry over your saved gamestate.
It would be really cool if NG+ carried over.
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Here's something super cool:

Calyxofawildflower, a notable fanfiction author in the Bioshock, Dishonored and Dragon Age fandoms, has announced that she's been hired as one of the head writers for Death of the Outsider. That's practically living the dream!

You must have a tumblr account to see her blog for whatever reason, so here's a quote of the announcement:
Gneh. I'm not sure this is a good thing. Fanfic authors tend have passion, but they don't always have discipline or foresight. On the other hand, she's probably no worse than anyone on DH2's writing staff, and as a newcomer maybe she'll have more to prove.

I'm just so bummed about how DH2 lowered my expectations for the setting. I was so hype for the main game! But now? Now I'm not so hype.

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I've heard it described as a stand-alone expansion. Do you think that means it's not connected to the main game? Or just that it doesn't modify the main story?
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It could still scan for that data. It sounds like Farcry: Blood Dragon.
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I just saw the trailer and damn my eyes I'm hype in spite of myself. That old Drunken Whaler coupled with Daud's conviction of the Outsider as the one responsible for all this madness... It was too much.
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I just saw the trailer and damn my eyes I'm hype in spite of myself. That old Drunken Whaler coupled with Daud's conviction of the Outsider as the one responsible for all this madness... It was too much.
Whatcha think of the theory I posited to IGOD in the e3 thread?

That if the void is in every person, and the outsider is the void, his pessimism or dismal view of humanity might be influencing folks even unintentionally
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