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Old 07-08-2017, 03:35 PM
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which makes interpretating "Alliance" as "the Horde/Alliance races alliance through class halls" instead of THE Alliance silly
I didn't do anything like that. The Alliance is the Alliance. There are different sentences here. She has sown the seeds of its downfall. The thrones will run red with betrayal. They're no doubt related, but not necessarily so directly.

The key difference is the final sentence. The Alliance speaks of a darkness closing in on them, suggesting the source of their future difficulty will be external. The Horde's makes it clear that their threat is internal.
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Old 07-08-2017, 03:42 PM
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The key difference is the final sentence. The Alliance speaks of a darkness closing in on them, suggesting the source of their future difficulty will be external. The Horde's makes it clear that their threat is internal.
I kinda interpret that as the same thing taking each of them over. IE Sylvannas
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Old 07-08-2017, 04:04 PM
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I kinda interpret that as the same thing taking each of them over. IE Sylvannas
Exactly. And it's Varimathras talking. Of course he'll be talking about Sylvanas. Currently, the Alliance is turning a bit of a blind eye towards Sylvanas, and the Horde is somehow allowing her to rule them. It's stupid, and Varimathras is pointing that out.
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:15 PM
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Please don't double post unless there's at least a few days between both posts, Krakhed.
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:38 PM
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If mages get a fourth spec I'd guess it would be some kind of time-based damage or healing spec. There is some time-based healing going on in Nighthold so there is some basis to it.
I have to admit, I forgot about a time-based spec. Wouldn't mind that either, though I think that's more likely to end up being a whole class on its own, due to the whole Timewalker thing from the Timeless Isle (three NPCs, each clearly a different spec of the same class, by the place where the august celestials are).
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:50 PM
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Guys....

Where the fuck is Mal'Ganis???
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:54 PM
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Guys....

Where the fuck is Mal'Ganis???
Forgotten it seems. That or he's Jaina.
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:59 PM
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Forgotten it seems. That or he's Jaina.
Why not someone in the Horde, maybe even Sylvanas herself?
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:02 PM
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I didn't do anything like that. The Alliance is the Alliance. There are different sentences here. She has sown the seeds of its downfall. The thrones will run red with betrayal. They're no doubt related, but not necessarily so directly.

The key difference is the final sentence. The Alliance speaks of a darkness closing in on them, suggesting the source of their future difficulty will be external. The Horde's makes it clear that their threat is internal.
Honestly it sounds to me like they're talking about different stuff. The things Varimathras says about Sylvanas aren't even real unless it gets revealed that "The Loa" were manipulated by her.

Meanwhile talk about betrayal + void + knowing we're going to kul tiras + hints kul tiras is OG corrupted + HS promo featuring Jaina delving too deep in the dark side leads me to believe its Jaina. The threat "closing over" them soon fits going to Kul Tiras next xpack. But that's how i see it

In any case, i hope both Queens survive.
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:08 PM
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Guys....

Where the fuck is Mal'Ganis???
Based on the abilities he taught the raven priests, mayhaps he joined team Void?

And based on the past occupation of Jaina's former advisor, perhaps he serves as an advisor in Jaina's new, reformed, Kul Tirasian Scarlet Crusade!
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:22 PM
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Moments later after Malganis was last seen Jaina teleported away somewhere...

HMMMMMM Who shares History with Arthas and Who is Joked about Being a Dreadlord.

My my my This is a Hard one


Well it has gotta be Medivh.

Jaina and Malganis sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

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Old 07-08-2017, 06:36 PM
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Mal'Ganis was at the tomb in the intro scenario, so he hasn't sat Legion out entirely, he just hasn't shown up for most of it.

I'm honestly more surprised Jaraxxus was nowhere to be found outside that scenario. I expected him on Argus at least. Though Talgath apparently being our main enemy in Argus questing is a nice touch.
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Old 07-08-2017, 06:39 PM
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In one of the early drafts of WC3 Jaina was going to be the Banshee Queen. Fate cannot be avoided i guess.

I have a vision of Jaina dressed like S6FinaleCersei (with a bun instead of short hair)

I'd be so fucking cool if one of 8.0 plots was this Lovecraft-lite thing were you slowly discover Kul Tiras is fucked up and Jaina is behind it, culminating with the explosion of the Great Catheral of Boralus with Turalyon (cuz i mean, he has to die to open the way for Anduin) inside it.

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Old 07-08-2017, 06:46 PM
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When will you understand Jaina died at tomb and Malganis took possession of her corpse.
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Old 07-08-2017, 07:44 PM
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Between the Kul Tiras stuff, Varimathras' quotes, and Blizzard's history of faction parity, I'm thinking that next expansion Sylvanas and Jaina will end up going bad, to balance out complaints about another Horde leader going evil by having an Alliance character do the same.
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Old 07-08-2017, 07:50 PM
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Between the Kul Tiras stuff, Varimathras' quotes, and Blizzard's history of faction parity, I'm thinking that next expansion Sylvanas and Jaina will end up going bad, to balance out complaints about another Horde leader going evil by having an Alliance character do the same.
You're probably right but I'm still bitter about how that same thinking senselessly killed Vol'jin to "balance" Varian's death.
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Old 07-08-2017, 07:59 PM
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I would be ok with Sylvanas being a baddie, if there were other fleshed out Horde leaders. There has been very little (if any) Horde character development over the past 2 expansions. Especially for any non-Blood Elf Horde characters.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:02 PM
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Between the Kul Tiras stuff, Varimathras' quotes, and Blizzard's history of faction parity, I'm thinking that next expansion Sylvanas and Jaina will end up going bad, to balance out complaints about another Horde leader going evil by having an Alliance character do the same.
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You're probably right but I'm still bitter about how that same thinking senselessly killed Vol'jin to "balance" Varian's death.
He was also voiced by Metzen.

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Old 07-08-2017, 08:13 PM
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I don't currently play WoW, but it would be dope if this Alliance story of betrayal was well-written and captivating. Knowing Blizz, though... heh.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:18 PM
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He was also voiced by Metzen.
Dave Fennoy has been Vol'jin's actor since MoP.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:28 PM
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Honestly it sounds to me like they're talking about different stuff. The things Varimathras says about Sylvanas aren't even real unless it gets revealed that "The Loa" were manipulated by her.
Many spirits may be referred to as Loa. You can't trust every voice that has wise advice to whisper into your ear. Sylvanas has gone to that dark place on more than one occasion. Maybe something noticed her while she was there.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:40 PM
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Do you think Jaina is corrupted?
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:45 PM
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Many spirits may be referred to as Loa. You can't trust every voice that has wise advice to whisper into your ear. Sylvanas has gone to that dark place on more than one occasion. Maybe something noticed her while she was there.
And Vol'jin died of poison.
How many victims of demons died of poisoning?
Which race has been researching poisons and diseases since its inception?

(Also, remember that banshees can mind-control people?)

Not saying it's truth. I'm saying it's damn plausible.

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And the Alliance version: I think it's also about Sylvanas. The broken mask reference and the wording talking about an outside threat encircling them is enough for me to not think he's talking about Jaina.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:50 PM
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They couldn't kill a character as unworthy as Vol'jin without killing Varian. They won't make Sylvanas go full Setback without throwing in an Alliance character.
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Old 07-08-2017, 08:58 PM
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Dave Fennoy has been Vol'jin's actor since MoP.
Honestly couldn't tell.
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