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Old 03-27-2017, 07:15 AM
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Due to consistent abusive behavior and an unwillingness to change, Necrophotic has been permanently banned.

Necrophotic has harassed Blizzard representatives, disrupted discussions with a single-minded goal, and refused to concede any part of his positions when asked to reconsider them. He has also linked (via his signature) to a personal site that contains abusive language. As this is not his first major offense and he does not show any signs of changing his behavior, the Staff has voted to ban him immediately and indefinitely. No further appeals will be considered in this judgment.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:19 AM
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:57 AM
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:08 AM
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Due to consistent abusive behavior and an unwillingness to change, Necrophotic has been permanently banned.

Necrophotic has harassed Blizzard representatives, disrupted discussions with a single-minded goal, and refused to concede any part of his positions when asked to reconsider them. He has also linked (via his signature) to a personal site that contains abusive language. As this is not his first major offense and he does not show any signs of changing his behavior, the Staff has voted to ban him immediately and indefinitely. No further appeals will be considered in this judgment.
I would rather have him allowed to access and login, but having all SoL ignoring him.

I may be wrong, but I think that punishment like permabans are seeing as form of validation for stalkers and trolls. The worst punishment possible for him would be having him being allowed to post stuff, but being constantly ignored by everyone until he realizes over and over and forever again that no one wants to listen to him.

Anyway, just my personal input. I was actually getting worried with his new ego trip, mostly because there have been recent occurrences of Blizzard employees getting back to answering questions on Twitter (and if I recall correctly there's even a very recent entry by Kosak on infernals, explicitly stating that they're elementals) and that having necrophotic around might ruin that again.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:20 AM
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As we don't have the tech for shadowbanning or similar soft-ban punishments, separation from the forum is the only current method available to deal with extremely toxic users.

Personally, I wish vBulletin had the option to segregate users by IP so that the Halls of Lordaeron could've been a functional soft-ban; preventing positive posters and negative posters from interacting, but letting both air their thoughts.

Still, Necro is among a class of very rare users where the only votes for their staying in the forum was along the lines of "we don't like banning people" as opposed to "there are redeeming qualities." More than likely, even if we had soft-ban options, he would have been permanently banned.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:24 AM
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I would rather have him allowed to access and login, but having all SoL ignoring him.

I may be wrong, but I think that punishment like permabans are seeing as form of validation for stalkers and trolls. The worst punishment possible for him would be having him being allowed to post stuff, but being constantly ignored by everyone until he realizes over and over and forever again that no one wants to listen to him.

Anyway, just my personal input. I was actually getting worried with his new ego trip, mostly because there have been recent occurrences of Blizzard employees getting back to answering questions on Twitter (and if I recall correctly there's even a very recent entry by Kosak on infernals, explicitly stating that they're elementals) and that having necrophotic around might ruin that again.
The problem with this is that though it might've bothered necro more, it would've assuredly still bothered the other users, and surely some would've still tried to argue with him. This is better, he can't bother people anymore.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:27 AM
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It saddens me that the Faction Thread has lost its luster as a haven to air out some toxic behavior.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:28 AM
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As we don't have the tech for shadowbanning or similar soft-ban punishments, separation from the forum is the only current method available to deal with extremely toxic users.

Personally, I wish vBulletin had the option to segregate users by IP so that the Halls of Lordaeron could've been a functional soft-ban; preventing positive posters and negative posters from interacting, but letting both air their thoughts.

Still, Necro is among a class of very rare users where the only votes for their staying in the forum was along the lines of "we don't like banning people" as opposed to "there are redeeming qualities." More than likely, even if we had soft-ban options, he would have been permanently banned.
I went to look at what he's been up to, and it seems that he was just attacking Matt Burns (!) last week.

This is bad. Getting one of Chronicle's writers away from the community can only bring disaster to us.

And I'm actually surprised that in his blog he isn't holding back at explicitly attacking Blizzard in its entirety.

Edit: oh..



So Blizzard's employees are wishy-washy writers because other players don't recognize his warlock as a necromancer.

Thank God, I was really needing a reason to laugh today.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:30 AM
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It saddens me that the Faction Thread has lost its luster as a haven to air out some toxic behavior.
Any chance you can elaborate?
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:42 AM
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It saddens me that the Faction Thread has lost its luster as a haven to air out some toxic behavior.
For the most part, we haven't seen debates along the lines of "No, YOUR faction is Hitler!" escalate as they did during the Cataclysm/Mists of Pandaria years, such that the Faction thread hasn't really been all that necessary.

Consider that the bulk of necrophotic's bad behaviour wasn't directed at Alliance or Horde players for favouring Alliance or Horde races, factions, characters, what have you. His abuse was directed at Blizzard and anyone who disagreed with him on an issue by issue basis, which wasn't really what the Faction Thread was designed for.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:45 AM
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Should stuff like this be reported to the proper authorities? I mean, how long til he goes complete mental and shoot up people in a Blizzard event or something? Makes me wonder if shit like him is why Lorealogy quit Twitter.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:48 AM
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People like necrophotic need to be banned from the Internet.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:49 AM
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Should stuff like this be reported to the proper authorities? I mean, how long til he goes complete mental and shoot up people in a Blizzard event or something? Makes me wonder if shit like him is why Lorealogy quit Twitter.
Do you want to take a look at the material I gathered on him?

He targeted specific employees for constant harassment. He might certainly be the main reason Loreology quit Twitter.
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:51 AM
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:00 AM
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Should stuff like this be reported to the proper authorities? I mean, how long til he goes complete mental and shoot up people in a Blizzard event or something? Makes me wonder if shit like him is why Lorealogy quit Twitter.
If someone in Blizzard wanted to press charges, the best they could do would be cyberstalking. But continued harassment on Twitter isn't cyberstalking unless he harassed them elsewhere online or constantly emailed or what have you.

It would be hilarious to read the posts here if necrophotic ended up getting a restraining order against him, though.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:02 AM
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Good decision, sadly. I think a lot of us tried to have it develop differently.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:13 AM
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Do you want to take a look at the material I gathered on him?

He targeted specific employees for constant harassment. He might certainly be the main reason Loreology quit Twitter.
I'd like to. Did you know he ruined WoWpedia for months too? He was known as VisionOfPerfection there.

He was banned several times, and his 1 year ban was lifted a few months ago. He immediately went on and grafted his madness onto several articles (about Fel, Necromancy, Death, Life, Arcane, etc. of course), which people immediately reacted to.

He was eventually banned again, for 3 years this time. WoWpedia's admins are actually the reason he decided to make his own Wiki.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:24 AM
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Should stuff like this be reported to the proper authorities? I mean, how long til he goes complete mental and shoot up people in a Blizzard event or something? Makes me wonder if shit like him is why Lorealogy quit Twitter.
It's a valid question with complex answers, some involving user privacy. Discussion may occur on the subject, and if anything does change, we'll make sure that there's an announcement and official documentation of how the rules are changed.

As of right now, and I want to make this extremely clear, we will never submit user information to any external source unless there is a clear and present danger to others or clearly illegal material (e.g. child porn) was involved. If a legal request for user information is made, we will endeavor to inform affected individuals as much as is possible given legal mandates.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:53 AM
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I believe Loreology quit Twitter because of health issues (didn't his wife say something about it?) but necrophotic was definitely part of why he stopped answering questions.
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Old 03-27-2017, 10:54 AM
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A good riddance.

I'd rather we not have shadow-bans, if a user is being punished they should be made aware of it. Clandestine punishments just seem unprofessional.
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:50 PM
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Frankly I'm surprised you guys gave him a 2nd chance. He's fucked.
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Old 03-27-2017, 03:02 PM
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Any chance you can elaborate?
Hasn't been a post in it since last month, then again I think it's due to things like people saying what they needed to say and then calming down a lot more about the lore afterwards. That may be subject to change whenever more Sylvanas/Genn content plays out. (Let's face it, one side is going to be incredibly upset by the end of this.)

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For the most part, we haven't seen debates along the lines of "No, YOUR faction is Hitler!" escalate as they did during the Cataclysm/Mists of Pandaria years, such that the Faction thread hasn't really been all that necessary.

Consider that the bulk of necrophotic's bad behaviour wasn't directed at Alliance or Horde players for favouring Alliance or Horde races, factions, characters, what have you. His abuse was directed at Blizzard and anyone who disagreed with him on an issue by issue basis, which wasn't really what the Faction Thread was designed for.
OTOH, the Faction Thread seems like the perfect candidate for being reformed into a Warcraft lore version of the "Hulk Smash - Idle Rants" thread.
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Old 03-27-2017, 03:11 PM
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Old 03-27-2017, 03:24 PM
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It saddens me that the Faction Thread has lost its luster as a haven to air out some toxic behavior.
Why is that a bad thing?
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Old 03-27-2017, 03:50 PM
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Clearly the faction thread just had enough logical arguments and valid points made that there is no more fighting.
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