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Old 04-04-2018, 04:58 PM
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Find a middle school or high school History teacher, and hire him/her to write a draft of the Second War. Have them watch a playthrough of WCII first. Give them at least 3 in-game years to work with.

EDIT: Pick someone who likes naval battles on lakes.

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Old 04-04-2018, 10:43 PM
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No Baron leaves forever, son.

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Old 04-05-2018, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nazja View Post
No Baron leaves forever, son.

I sat by the SEGA forums and held its hand as it passed away.

They told us the shutdown was coming about two days before it happened. I saved a couple of my favorite fanfictions. You have to keep an eye on elderly vbulletin boards, after all.

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Old 04-10-2018, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cacofonix View Post
So, Arthas isn't a character there?
Yes he is. But he is a little kid during Warcraft 1 and 2, he flees across the sea during the end of Warcraft 2 to help build the new kingdoms.

Writing up part 2 aka War 3 now.
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:08 PM
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Ultimate Warcraft

Pre War1:

To start off the humans are much more viking like, they are much more like Vrykul and worship the Watchers. They know of the Titans somewhat, and consider all races not formed from the Titans as enemies. Odyn, Tyr, etc. They praise strength. The church of holy light is the Church of Tyr, they have had Paladins for generations. Humans learned magic not from the elves through diplomacy but through interrogation. Dalaran is a prison type fortress city where humans steal magic from the elves. Though friends with the dwarves and gnomes, they take Trolls as slaves and raid elves to steal their magic. There is also less kingdoms. The kingdom of Strom still exists, held together so the humans can stand up to the elves, which encompasses all the northern kingdoms except Kul'Tiras and Gilneas which has already built their wall, and shut themselves off. Kul'Tiras is more of a pirate nation, with Daelin Proudmore as the Pirate King.

Elves of Silvermoon are a powerhouse. They study all kinds of magic, including fel and shadow. They don't consider the humans a threat or even on their level, and they have been trying to find a way to overpower the Legion in case they return for 10,000 years. They summon demons and steal their magic and study them. They know and understand the void, light and fel, as well as have full mastery of the arcane.

Orcs background remains much of the same, they are already pretty metal.

Warcraft 1 and 2:

Orcs enter Azeroth and take Stormwind, no humans escape though. The strongest are taken prisoner. Anduin Lothar and Prince Varian are taken captive and trained to be Gladiators for Orc Amusement. Thrall is about the same age as Varian, a child when the orcs first invade. After Gul'dan has the Frostwolves killed and hunted he takes Thrall as his slave. He lives in the same cell as Anduin Lothar and Varian and trains alongside Varian to become a Gladiator while also learning from Anduin Lothar. Doomhammer is also a frostwolf gladiator who was taken when Durotan was killed. Drek'thar also survives and is housed with the slaves.

The Orcs fortify the kingdom of Stormwind not heading north immediately. Instead they head south first, they defeat the the Trolls of Stranglethorn, and Gul'dan takes Hakkar captive and harvests his blood to create new horde berserkers. Blackhand is truly brutal making all the trolls fight each other to the death for the right to join the Horde.

Anduin and Doomhammer end up leading a slave uprising Spartacus style and escape along with Drek'thar, Varian and Thrall and head north.

They make it to Ironforge, where the Dwarves are skeptical of what they say, but after meeting the handful of still remaining Frostwolves, and seeing what Doomhammer does against their best warriors, they begin to prepare for the Horde and reach out for help, though they don't get much of an answer. The Horde then make their move, storming Khaz Modan and forcing the Dwarves to hole up in their mountain fortresses. Realizing the the dwarves won't be able to hold out forever Anduin and gang head north to the kingdom of Strom. During this time Drek'thar begins to hear the elements again, and notices Thrall's potential. Upon reaching the Arathi Highlands, Anduin and Varian go to Stromgarde with Doomhammer, while the other few remaining orcs go into the wilderness to reconnect with the elements.

Turns out Lothar's family was outed a few generations by the Trollbane clan in ritual combat for the right to be king, which is why his family left to found Stormwind. Anduin challenges Thoras for the right to be king and wins, making him the new king of the kingdom of Strom. He rallies all the forces of the north to Arathi were they make a 300 type stand at Thandol Span, mostly with their elite Paladins. They manage to hold the Horde, but quickly start to become overwhelmed. Doomhammer shows up with Drek'thar and Thrall and seeks out Blackhand who he defeats in combat. He then claims the Horde as his own and has Drek'thar remind them of the power of the elements they abandoned using it to destroy the Thandol Span and end the battle.

Doomhammer tries to get the Horde to return south and live off the land they claimed to the south like the old days. But Gul'dan disagrees and alongside Grom, Cho'gall, Kargath, and Zuluhed decides that this world is his. Zuluhed claims Alexstrasza and her dragons. while Cho'gall discovers the power of the Old Gods on Azeroth. Gul'dan completely drains Hakkar of life and uses it to transform Grom and the Warsong into something like fel orcs, Gul'dan then uses the demon soul to ride Alexstrasza herself north, he burns Stromgarde to the ground with his dragons then heads north to Silvermoon. Seeking the Sunwell, he takes his dragon army around Silvermoon forest and straight to Quel'danas. Claiming it for his own, he then uses the power of the Sunwell to create portals through Silvermoon letting Grom and his newly hulked out Horde into the city. Meanwhile, Cho'gall has found the fallen corpses of the Old Gods greatest generals buried in Tirisfal Glade. He reanimates them and quickly uses them to lay seige to Lorderon. Within days the Horde destroys the majority of the Northern Kingdoms.

The humans end up having to flee across the ocean to Kalimdor with only the kingdoms of Gilneas and Kul'Tiras still standing. They land in Durotar and duskwallow and begin to rebuild.

Meanwhile the Horde has pretty much taken over the Eastern Kingdom, enslaving the remaining elves and humans. Kael'thas still leaves and leads a band of powerful elite elves. He sees that the Horde uses the tools of the Burning Legion and seeks out help to slay them. He leads his people to Kalimdor in search of the one called Illidan Stormrage. Him and his warriors fight and end up freeing Illidan Stormrage who he asks for help against this new threat to Azeroth.

Meanwhile Gul'dan is using the Sunwell to bring the Legion into Azeroth. Kael'thas and Illidan end up showing up and stop Gul'dan and close the portals, Illidan ends up claiming Gul'dans soul and power as his own becoming the winged demon he is now. The elves reclaim Silvermoon, but they discover the Legion is planning a massive invasion and Kael'thas begins having Illidan train Demon Hunters. The dragonmaw and warsong are defeated, Kael'thas takes the Demon Soul which his uses for himself, creating a red dragon army for the Elves. Illidan convinces Kael'thas to spare Grom and his warsong to use a weapons again the Legion. Using fel magic he is able to enslave any orcs that drank Mannaroth's blood.

Illidan then uses them to fight back Cho'gall and send the Twilight's hammer fleeing, clearing the northern kingdoms of the remaining Horde.

End of Warcraft 2 status quo:

During the 20 years between 2 and 3,

Humans have settle on Kalimdor, creating a powerful kingdom the encompasses the land from Azshara to Tanaris. They have been at odds with the Tauren and Night Elves, and wipe the Razormane out. Dalaran has been moved to Thousand needles and has discovered Un'goro and Uldum. Theramore has become the new capital, ruled by Anduin Lothar with Varian Wyrnn named as his heir. They know the Horde is likely to return and have been preparing for war for 20 years.

Doomhammer lead his people back south and they have begun to redabble in the elements. Blackrock Mountain has become a shamanistic stronghold with a sect of Ragnaros worshippers. Drek'thar and Thrall have discovered Karazhan, who study it along their troll allies to learn more about what happened to cure their demon blooded brothers under Illidan's control. The trolls return to Stranglethorne, but remain part of the Horde.

The elves of Silvermoon have reclaimed their land completely and are preparing to fight the Legion. Illidan is training demon hunters and Kael'thas has begun seeking more power to use in the fight.

I could keep going, but I guess that's how I would start it out.
Pre-Warcraft 3

20 years have passed since the end of Warcraft 2.

During the 20 years:


Doomhammer has taken control of the Horde on the Eastern Kingdoms. He has begun to raise Thrall as his own son. They reclaim the power of the elements, Doomhammer builds his capital city in Arathi and his shaman bring the elements together there to create a new Throne of the Elements aka sacred place to continue the ancient orcish celebration/ritual of Kosh'harg. The Amani and Gurubashi empires begin to work together again as members of this new Horde. The trolls and orc shaman have been studying Karazhan for many years starting up a new Horde mage sect.

It took Doomhammer nearly 10 years to finish the Seige of Ironforge. The Dark Iron dwarves of Blackrock joined the Horde and gave them a back entrance into the city. The surviving Dwarves and Gnomes were taken as slaves and forced to build War Machines for the Horde.

Illidan has amassed a powerful Demon Hunter army in Silvermoon and has been attacking demon worlds with Grom and the fel infused Warsong. Kael'thas still has the demon soul and has had control of the Red Dragonflight the whole time. Overall they have ignored the rest of the world, as Quel'thalas has grown to powerful for any other nation to attack.


The Humans have at this point fully settled in Kalimdor. Anduin Lothar settled Durotar and built New Stormwind were Orgimmar would have stood, he grows old now and Prince Varian Wyrnn stands ready to take the throne. King Arthas Menethil rules Theramore in Duskwallow Marsh alongside his queen Jaina. Thoras Trollbane leads the 3rd kingdom, New Strom in what is Thousand Needles. New Dalaran is built on the biggest rise in 1000 needles. The dwarves and gnomes that came with the humans reside in southern barrens.

The humans have hired the Goblins to help them build a new kingdom as well. This has allowed the dwarves, gnomes, and goblins to work together and build a powerful Alliance war machine of airships and tanks. The southern barrens and 1000 needles are heavy mined and industralized, with the razormane wiped out during a war. The mages of Dalaran and dwarves have begun investigating Un'goro and Uldum, unlocking Titan tech and magic.

The Night Elves do not take kindly to the Alliance and their destructive ways in Durotar, Barrens and 1000 Needles. They have held the humans from taking Feralas and Ashenvale, but with added pressure of the new Alliance Tech they have had to ally with the Tauren and Furbolg to keep them at bay.

Meanwhile Cho'gall has begun to commune with the Old Gods, he has began to work alongside Deathwing and N'zoth to bring forth the Hour of Twilight. He has begun to bring the Old Gods back into power. He ventured into Silithus and brought C'thun back to life. Then he went to Northrend and freed Yogg'Saron. He has remained in Northrend under the Old God's wishes to aid them in an upcoming war.
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Old 04-10-2018, 02:24 PM
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Warcraft 3 time

1 year prior:

For 20 years Illidan has been leading the armies of Silvermoon in Guerilla war style missions against the Burning Legion. This has made him target number 1 of Sargeras and Kil'jaeden.

Using the power of the Sunwell, Staff of Sargeras, Book of Medivh and the Demon Soul, they have been able to create portals to countless demon worlds and kept the Legion from counter attacking. Growing arrogant Illidan decides to attack the Dreadlord home world. This time though Kil'Jaeden is ready. During the attack Illidan comes face to face with Kil"jaeden although Illidan escapes, Kil'jaeden slays the majority of his forces and gains control of the portals and has his forces begin to assault Silvermoon. Although they manage to hold back the Legion forces and close the portals, this was a major blow to Illidan and Kael'thas's armies and will require much work to rebuild.

During this attack Kil'jaeden makes a discovery, that the portal linking Azeroth and Draenor is still open in the Blasted Lands. Over the years Ner'zhul and the shaman has been trying to restore life to the dying world. The few orcs that didn't cross over to Azeroth are now lead by the Earthen Ring. The council is split though in their ways of restoring the planet. Ner'zhul and Zuluhed believe using knowledge gained by the warlocks their magics can grant them new abilities and 'force" the elements into cleansing the land.

Kil'Jaeden makes a play for Draenor and brings the force of the Legion into their world. The forces of Draenor are no longer strong enough to resist, and they fall to the Legion. In a final bid of hope, Ner'zhul calls out to the void asking for help. With his new power he is able to reanimate the fallen Horde army into an undead force that temporarily beats back the Legion. Kil"jaeden notices his power and captures him and begins to transform him into his weapon for taking over Azeroth. The Lich King.

The few surviving Draenei lead by Velen recognize the Legion and use the distraction to escape into Azeroth using the portal before Kil'Jaeden seizes control of it.

Velen upon entering Azeroth decides he must reach out to its leaders to warn them of the Legion. Much like Medivh his goes to warn the leaders only to be turned away.

Meanwhile Kil'Jaeden sends Ner'zhul to Northrend to begin creating the scourge.

A year later. Doomhammer receives reports of demons in the south and sends Kargath and the Shattered Hand to investigate. They find the Legion now controls the portal and only a few escape to let Doomhammer know. He calls upon the full might of the Horde to fight back.

Meanwhile, Yogg'Saron senses Ner'zhul presence and commands Cho'gall to assemble his forces and head to Azjol'Nerub fight the War of Spiders. This time Ner'zhul loses the War and Cho'gall and the Nerubians take the frozen throne. Using a powerful Old God ritual, Cho'gall summons the power of the void and Old Gods corrupting Ner'zhul and transforming him into Yogg'Saron's Lieutenant and champion of the Old Gods. The scourge now fights for the Void. With a shadowy power up the Lich King is more powerful than ever before. Cho'gall brings the remains of his soon to be first Lich, Gul'dan.

Doomhammer amasses the full might of the Horde and begins his march on the Blast Lands. At first the appear to be beating the Legion back to the Portal, but are soon pushed back due to overwhelming reinforcements coming from the Portal. The begin to fall back to Blackrock Mountain. There's a powerful Orc shaman known as Nel'thar(Deathwing in disguise) leader of a orcish shaman cult at Blackrock that worships Ragnaros offers a chance to beat back the Legion. Using the power of the shaman in the mountain they summon Ragnaros, causing the Mountain to erupt wiping out almost half of the Horde forces but stopping the Legion advance. Ragnaros and his elemental army fights back the Legion all the way to the portal and destroys it.

Although the Horde should be celebrating a victory, a dark shadow looms over his people. That night while his people are gathered and celebrating they begin to be attacked by undead orcs. The orcs are almost over run and flee to Zul'Gurub. There they are able to maintain a defensive, at least for a short time. The gates fall when a great dragon, Deathwing self proclaimed Aspect of Death destroys the city gates letting the scourge in. Most of the Horde falls with the survivors fleeing north by ship, head back to Arathi. During this time the dwarven and gnomish slaves in Khaz'modan revolt and escape in ships and head to Kalimdor.

During this time the Undead begin to ravage all of Azeroth.

The human kingdoms in Kalimdor have begun to go to war against the Night Elves and Tauren. A Great battle takes place on the Barrens, with the Alliance Airships beginning an assault on Thunder Bluff, when the Undead begin to rise and attack both sides. The Tauren and Elves retreat to their bluffs and trees while the Alliance falls back to their castles. Each believes the other is responsible for this undead plague.

The dwarves and gnomes arrive in Theramore following their exodus from the Eastern Kingdoms and share word of what has happened. The Kings of the Alliance are summoned to New Dalaran. There the wizards who have been studying Un'goro and Uldum begin to tell them about the stories they have uncovered of the Titans and the Old Gods and that the void energies powering the undead are the same as the Old Gods. They also believe the Silithus was an Old God stronghold and that signs of their power have begun to taint the area. The meeting is interrupted by the announcement that Feralas has fallen and that the Az'qir and Sithilid have overran it and they are head their way. Velen appears and says offers a warning saying only by working together can their world survive. He is mostly chased off, but some listen to him.

Anduin Lothar has his top Generals, Turalyon and Khadgar lead what forces he can spare in the defense of 1000 Needles, asking the dwarves, gnomes, and goblins for their aid in creating anti-seige weapons and defenses. Lothar returns to New Stormwind where he has Varian and Bolvar prepare the city for another seige. Meanwhile Jaina believes Velen that only through all the races creating an Alliance can this dark army be stopped. She convinces her husband Arthas to ride into the Night Elf lands and talk peace. Arthas gathers up his best knights to ride with him, Uther, Tirion, and Mograinne. The group takes an airship north towards Hyjal. They are attacked by Green dragons and taken the prisoner of Ysera. She tells them of her visions and that she dreamed of them uniting the world. She calls upon the Night Elf and Tauren leadership to meet with them at her lair. Arthas manages to convince the Night Elves into an Alliance with the help of Jaina and the Paladins. Cairne, Malfurion and Tyrande agree, but Staghelm and Magatha Grimtotem is against the Alliance. Ysera also pledges her dragonflight to the Alliance. Arthas and gang return to New Stormwind to let Lothar know the news. He accepts although is untrusting of their new allies. The Alliance then assembles on the edge of Feralas to fight back. They drive them back out of Feralas, but meanwhile Cho'gall meets with the Grimtotem and Staghelm in Dire Maul and persuades them to join his side.

Meanwhile Doomhammer and the remaining Horde have fled north trying to escape the Old God forces of Deathwing and Ragnaros and the undead to the south. They are forced all the way north to the elven lands were they ask for their help. Kael'thas agrees as long as they kneel and join his current orc armies lead by Grom Hellscream. Thrall refuses as he claims the elements tell him that they are no better than the Legion with their demonic magics. Kargath and Kilrogg both kneel, but Thrall leads the Frostwolves and a few others east, fleeing by ship to find another way. Doomhammer stays with a heavy heart and pledges the Horde to Illidan and Kael'thas, under the condition that Illidan will not corrupt his orcs into fel orcs.

Illidan tells Doomhammer that the war they now face has been in the making for thousands of years. That Azeroth is the final battle ground of the Void and the Legion. The Legion's primary goal is to burn away the Void's corruption, while the Void seeks to corrupt all they can before the Legion can do that, etc etc. The best way to deal with the Void's corruption is to burn it away.

The new Horde then heads south to put an end to Deathwing's army. With the power of the Demon Soul Kael'thas rides Alexstrasza against Deathwing and almost kills him. Meanwhile Illidan and the Horde shaman manage to bind and control Ragnaros while defeating the Old God/Undead army.

Meanwhile the Alliance of Green Dragons, Humans, Night Elves, Tauren, Gnomes, Dwarves, and Goblins fight back C'thun's forces. Eventually killing C'thun.

Realizing the source of this corruption of undeath is coming from Northrend both armies prepare to head North were Yogg'Saron, The Lich King, and Cho'gall await. Lothar, Malfurion and Arthas leading the Alliance armies, with Illidan, Kael'thas, and Doomhammer leading the Horde.

To be continued.

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