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Old 10-18-2019, 05:06 AM
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Yeah, they seem to mostly be for the paladins who pop up in "King Arthas". They've mentioned that the WC3 melee campaign is going to allow you to choose different skins for heroes (i.e. Jaina can be your Archmae hero in melee matches).

Anasterian replacing the Archmage hero (I'm guessing) in the Path of the Damned is so awesome. I'm loving them fixing these sensible continuity errors, or things that were sort of half-assed due to production constraints.



I don't know how I feel about the overall art style. Some of the models work for me. But a lot of the cinematic-based characters just almost literally look like the cinematic takes. (Archimonde & Mannoroth for example)

But there's something kind of limited about it. They're going for more realistic proportions but that's... weird.
The problem is that the armor is absurd and the buildings have Fisher Price proportions. It makes the characters’ realistic proportions look utterly incongruous. Our minds can subconsciously tell when things are off about human bodies.
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Old 10-18-2019, 06:43 AM
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I feel the artstyle is going to be as divisive as the original one was. Except this time, only between established fans. Back then, it was mostly divisive between those who'd become fans and those who wouldn't, although you had some Warcraft II fans who seriously disliked it.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:11 AM
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Old 10-19-2019, 03:58 AM
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Old 10-19-2019, 07:01 AM
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I have only found one reforged model that I don't really like. The Shrine of Azshara, which previously features a couatl (probably), now features a winged cobra. I just find is a bit weird having all this cobra imagery in naga structures - is it a cobra wild god? Some kind of naga mutation we've never seen?

It just seems weird to me, we've literally never seen cobras in proximity to naga.

I kind of wished the Shrine of Azshara had been completely remodeled to feature one of those classical statues of Azshara instead.
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Old 10-19-2019, 07:40 AM
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Uhm, aren't Couatls winged cobras?




To me these look like they're meant to represent the same animal.
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Old 10-19-2019, 08:29 PM
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Okay, so actuuuaallly, I think maybe they're replacing the granite golems with Anasterian and some other High Elf heroes.

I still really wish they'd up the difficulty on RoC's hard mode. It's... so easy. And the item tables.

I wonder how they're going to simulate Quel'danas too.
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Old 10-20-2019, 03:54 AM
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https://i.redd.it/6lkhqkgh49t31.png
The fuck is that supposed to be? That's not how wildkins look. That's awful. It screams "edge" and "cool" and "animayz". I don't like it.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:53 AM
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Uhm, aren't Couatls winged cobras?




To me these look like they're meant to represent the same animal.
That's the thing. It was clearly a couatl before. Now, it's a cobra with wings.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:05 AM
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Are those not basically the same thing?

Like, the difference between them and their wind serpent cousins was that they had cobra heads and larger wings. (And were semi-aquatic.)
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Old 10-22-2019, 05:39 AM
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Couatls look far more unique. You're thinking of wind serpents.
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:53 AM
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Couatls look far more unique. You're thinking of wind serpents.
I forgot that they had those weird flaps on their head and near their tail, but besides that, the biggest difference between the units and the building is the wing shape. And that applies to both buildings, which have far more draconic wings than couatls.

IIRC, they even had the cobra hood, which you could see on some of their portrait's animation. It just wasn't in full display-mode all the time, like in the Reforged building.
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Old 10-22-2019, 08:34 PM
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Couatls are certainly serpents with wings.. But they look nothing like the statue
Couatls don't have the cobra, uhm, flaps? The thing on their head. And that statue is literally a cobra with wings attached. Couatl wings grow from a wide section of their bodies.
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:12 AM
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That's RPG art. I wouldn't use that to support an argument.

Also, I already mentioned the wings being different in the building and that this is the case both in TfT and Reforged, not solely the latter.

Also, a cobra's hood is not always on display, only when they wish to be threatening. Most of the time they look like any regular snake.

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To shorten the argument, to me it looks like they perfected the design instead of completely remodelling it. While it is not always discernable, I am relatively sure that Couatls were cobras in TfT too and that this could be seen on one of their portrait's animations. Should I be right about this fact, both buildings represent a cobra with draconic wings; one of them is relaxed (TfT) while the other is attempting to look threatening (Reforged).

You are free to disagree with me, I am free to disagree with you and we should probably move on.

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Old 10-23-2019, 06:42 PM
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Buy Nazja. The artwork I posted is literally the same as the in-game model.

Even if the headflaps are down, the wings are completely different! And it's not like they changed the couatl in Refirged either:

What I agree is that the building shows a menacing winged cobra. Which is not a couatl. And which I find weird given cobras are nowhere to be seen close to the naga.
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:20 PM
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But Nazja. The artwork I posted is literally the same as the in-game model.
I said so because the authors of the RPG also considered them to be winged cobras. (And because according to the RPG, couatls are actually just larger wind serpents with more feathers.)

It didn't make it into the actual book, iirc, but they did release some pseudo-official rules before its release.

And yes, the building doesn't really look like the actual couatls, but neither did the original building, really. The wings were all wrong, it didn't have the flaps... the naga took some artistic liberty. Heck, I'd even say that in some way the new building is more accurate, since it has that weird dorsal fin.
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Old 10-24-2019, 03:24 AM
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I think the main issue is what the Shrine of Azshara looks like is... really unclear.

The new one looks really generic, though. And... basically looks like a WoW Windserpent.
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Old 10-24-2019, 08:33 PM
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I'm not concerned about the original Shrine model. It could be a gargoyle for all I care.


I'm concerned about lore. Why does the Shrine of Azshara have the statue of a winged cobra, when such a creature is never to be found anywhere close to the naga?

I'm really happy at all the new models, except this one. I wish they'd scrapped the winged thing, and instead placed a statue to Azshara herself.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:53 AM
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I'm concerned about lore. Why does the Shrine of Azshara have the statue of a winged cobra, when such a creature is never to be found anywhere close to the naga?
Why did so many European monarchs sport lions on their coat of arms, when European lions had been extinct for thousands of years and wasn't to be found anywhere close to their kingdoms? Or griffins, creatures that have never even existed?
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:03 PM
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Why did so many European monarchs sport lions on their coat of arms, when European lions had been extinct for thousands of years and wasn't to be found anywhere close to their kingdoms? Or griffins, creatures that have never even existed?
If there's one thing I learn when it comes to discussing fantasy settings, especially Warcraft, is that real life examples aren't well received.

I don't know why.
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Old 10-25-2019, 05:29 PM
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Why did so many European monarchs sport lions on their coat of arms, when European lions had been extinct for thousands of years and wasn't to be found anywhere close to their kingdoms? Or griffins, creatures that have never even existed?
That may be so. Then, what is the cultural significance of the winged cobra to the naga?
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Old 10-26-2019, 12:38 AM
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Naga are snake people. Cobra is considered a royal serpent. Moreover, mythological naga themselves are half cobra, and it is not that far fetched Warcraft one's are too, they are their copies anyway.

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If there's one thing I learn when it comes to discussing fantasy settings, especially Warcraft, is that real life examples aren't well received.

I don't know why.
Because real life examples/inspiration clash with escapism, and many high fantasy fans stick to the genre because of escapism.

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Old 10-26-2019, 06:58 PM
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Them changing Grom's facial tattoo to match the stupid facial tattoo he has in Warlords of Draenor is driving me up the wall.

It looks so much worse.
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:09 PM
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Them changing Grom's facial tattoo to match the stupid facial tattoo he has in Warlords of Draenor is driving me up the wall.

It looks so much worse.
And making MU Grom look like his AU and movie counterparts contradicts Garrosh's fully tattooed jaw as Warchief being meant to copy his father's.
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Old 10-26-2019, 09:22 PM
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And making MU Grom look like his AU and movie counterparts contradicts Garrosh's fully tattooed jaw as Warchief being meant to copy his father's.
They want Garroshs to look like he's compensating

They didn't think they dragged him through the mud enough
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