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View Poll Results: Worst example of "Draco in Leather Pants" in WoW
Arthas 7 12.50%
Ner'Zhul 2 3.57%
Illidan 21 37.50%
Kael'Thas 9 16.07%
Kil'Jaeden(I heard some people say he should be redeemed) 2 3.57%
Lei Shen 0 0%
Garrosh 2 3.57%
Sylvanas 42 75.00%
Garithos 8 14.29%
Daelin Proudmoore 3 5.36%
Scarlet Crusade 6 10.71%
Deathwing 0 0%
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:32 AM
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What is DILP?

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A form of Misaimed Fandom, when a fandom takes a controversial or downright villainous character and downplays his/her flaws, often turning him/her into an object of desire and/or a victim in the process. This can cause conflicts if the writers are not willing to retool the character to fit this demand.

In fanfiction, they are frequently the love object of the local Mary Sue, who uses the power of love to redeem the character. "I can fix him" is a commonly expressed sentiment among fans of Dracos in Leather Pants. In extreme cases, the affection these characters receive from fans can lead them to forget that they're actually still supposed to be villains. Or, on the flip side, even the worst crossings of the Moral Event Horizon can be rationalized, while any insult from the hero towards the villain is cast as deplorably mean. Bonus Points if the writer's attempt to make the villain more "sympathetic" causes them to remove everything that made the character so cool/well liked in the first place.

Common reasons for this include the character being wicked in a classy or cool way. A physically attractive villain is much more likely to be subject to this trope than a physically ugly one; Beauty Equals Goodness, after all, and shallow as it may be, it seems that, for some fans, this is the case even when the character's beauty only extends to their appearance. All Girls Want Bad Boys may be a factor with male villains getting a female fandom that views them through this lens.
So what is the worst example of "Draco in Leather Pants"/he's misunderstood I can change him mentality in WoW? Just wondering because I have polled all the villains I am aware of with this behavior. Note that villains that people genuinely like for being evil such as Gul'Dan or Kel'Thuzad are not on here. And to top it off. It is better if you fully admit to having DILP-level biases to any of these characters.

I will have to say Sylvanas and Kil'Jaeden are the worst. I put Kil'Jaeden on here because i heard some people say he should be redeemed. I will admit to feeling bad for Arthas, Illidan, Kael, Garrosh and Lei Shen. Through to be fair Illidan, Kael, Garrosh was bad writing and for Lei Shen it's because Blizzard went too far IMO in making the Mogu essentially, simply put, "Chinese Nazis" when it was supposed to be based on the Qin Emperor and they added the racist mentality to make them more evil. And I kinda take offense to that since it "defiles" Chinese history based on sterotypes of that era.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:08 AM
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Who the hell's Draco'd Lei Shen?

Anyway, I vote Sylvanas. I've read posts where people say they literally cry when they read about her in War Crimes and one person I knew said they worshiped her statue when they added that in Cataclysm.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:10 AM
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Arthas and Illidan.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:13 AM
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Who the hell's Draco'd Lei Shen?

Anyway, I vote Sylvanas. I've read posts where people say they literally cry when they read about her in War Crimes and one person I knew said they worshiped her statue when they added that in Cataclysm.
Lei Shen being DILP'd

Frankly I can understand it because of the real life parallel. Yes IRL the Qin Emperor was a batshit tyrant but no need to paint him as the Chinese Hitler as they did with his expy in this game with all the master race crap. Plus it would be ironic if the Pandaran got their customs from the Mogu empire just like how the Chinese dynasties learned good things from the Qin Empire as well.

Same story with Garrosh, and even more so cuz of Bad writing.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:16 AM
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Huh... fascinating.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:12 AM
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What the what-ing what???
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I think using tropes is silly, but I think as far as the fandom seeing past a character's flaws and brushing them under the rug (as opposed to liking the character as a whole for who they are)... Sylvanas and Illidan are obvious choices.

I don't think it really apples to Arthas at all.
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:32 PM
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This trope is basically Xil.
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So, I'm pretty sure most of us can Agree on Sylvanas and Illidan being this.

Except for Sylvanas and Illidan fanboys, of course.
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And all it takes is a tactically calculated "for the Horde" rallying the troops to make them all think "OMG she really does care!"
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Garrosh.
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Garrosh.
It is justified because the bad writing, so yeah I can defend his pre-Cata self all I want. Its less DILP and more nostaligia.

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I think using tropes is silly, but I think as far as the fandom seeing past a character's flaws and brushing them under the rug (as opposed to liking the character as a whole for who they are)... Sylvanas and Illidan are obvious choices.

I don't think it really apples to Arthas at all.

Whenever somone says the R-word, there's your DILP.
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Garithos may have a misguided following, but it's not because of teh sexy. I don't think it applies.
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Garithos may have a misguided following, but it's not because of teh sexy. I don't think it applies.
Thick, bristling 'stache...
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Whenever somone says the R-word, there's your DILP.
Um... the R word?

Arthas blatantly murdered his own father when he tried to hug him. Who the HELL thinks he's the slightest bit sympathetic? Even he doesn't feel sorry for himself.
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Garithos was right!
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Garithos was right!
Garithos kind of made himself right.

"See? If we send them on suicide missions, lock them in prison, try to exterminate them, they'll BETRAY US! Elves!"
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"See? If we send them on suicide missions, lock them in prison, try to exterminate them, they'll BETRAY US! Elves!"
Sylvanas betrayed him too.
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Um... the R word?

Arthas blatantly murdered his own father when he tried to hug him. Who the HELL thinks he's the slightest bit sympathetic? Even he doesn't feel sorry for himself.
That was when he picked Frostmourne, which he did to protect his people/get revenge.
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That was when he picked Frostmourne, which he did to protect his people/get revenge.
''Forget this business and lead your men home.''

''Damn the men! Nothing shall prevent me from having my revenge old friend. Not even you.''

Not very sympathetic to me. Tragic? Sure. Sympathetic? Nah.
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Sylvanas, easily.
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''Forget this business and lead your men home.''

''Damn the men! Nothing shall prevent me from having my revenge old friend. Not even you.''

Not very sympathetic to me. Tragic? Sure. Sympathetic? Nah.
"I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland."

"I will give anything, or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people."

I find that quite sympathetic, if severely misguided.
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Um... the R word?

Arthas blatantly murdered his own father when he tried to hug him. Who the HELL thinks he's the slightest bit sympathetic? Even he doesn't feel sorry for himself.
R-word=Redemption. I call it the r-word because of it's controversy not jsut of Arthas but also Sylvanas and Illidan. The point is, if anyone who is vocal enough to suggest redemption or sympathy, there is DILP. Especially since people make videos like this video here(go to the very end, see what happens you might all like it but not so much the ending). And that is not getting into the fact that some people like the guy who made the WoW pro lore episodes believe Arthas to have been redeemed.

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blizzard made one HOT bad guy, i mean come on, with a leader like that whod say no to mindless undeath?
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i really will. as a gay man, i find arthas very attractive, and after playing through Warcraft 3 and its expansion over the past week or so, i find myself to have a bit of a crush on him, i know its kinda corny. but we've all had crushes on made up characters before. I just have this connection with him now, and i think it would be sad to see him die, hes not all bad. i know the good is still in him.
One key aspet of DILP is "he/she's HAWT, I can change him!"

DILP dosen't mean the villain is portrayed sympathetically, it means that people will make up reasons for the villain to be redeemed even if they go against canon or logic. That or think he/she is hawt.
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:39 PM
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daelin. The fact that blizzard dropped the ball doesn't change that his actions set the stage (given that most orcs had spent their adolescence being beaten denied food and water and forced to live in crowded shit holes for the sins of the parents they had a reason to dislike humans and daelin essentially helped reinforce those impressions.) if anything I'll say that the entire faction war is pretty much DAELIN'S fault. Garithos too because kael was willing to work with the alliance till garithos mistreated him so in the end Kael's fall is partially garithos's fault. Both of them deserve scorn
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:01 PM
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Sylvanas.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:16 PM
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Sylvanas is definitely the worst yeah. I don't think I need to explain why.

Garithos is another I feel, but nowhere near as bad as Sylvanas. The whole saving Lordaeron thing? Cool. The whole condemning allied troops for not dying on a suicide mission? Not cool. Though I don't think it justifies Sylvanas' betrayal of him, or more specifically, the people he was leading.
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