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Old 08-18-2016, 08:58 AM
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The Horde is fine now. I just wish Garrosh would have never existed.
All the Horde's modern problems can be traced back to him in one way or another. e.g.:

He saved Sylvanas from self-destruction by being the first faction leader to antagonize the Horde.

He instigated Warlocks of Draenor, which in turn instigated the clusterfuck that is Legion.

He let Gallywix join as head of the goblins.

He killed Cairne.
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:56 AM
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He let Gallywix join as head of the goblins.
That was Thrall.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:01 AM
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Technically it's all Thrall's fault, Thrall was Judas all along. Not Moses.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:09 AM
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That was Thrall.
Lost Isles Thrall was such an utter dick. You spend the entire zone helping him out, him promising aid and doing zilch in return, and when he finally does assist you (after you've already done the hard things), he immediately decides that your archenemy (the one he was supposed to help you against) should be put in charge so that your entire peoples can be conscripted into the horde.

Thrall will die with a goblin shiv between his ribs.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:15 AM
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At this point there aren't many "noticeable" characters in Trolls that I'd kind feel like they should have Bwonsamdi as their leader.

That being said, it doesn't really fit. I can't imagine a Loa of the Dead taking orders from any leader, let alone Sylvanas.
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Old 08-18-2016, 12:05 PM
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Darkspear - child of Vol'jin
So far as we know, no such child exists (and don't give that Yenniku crap).

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Unnamed child of Vol'jin with no development? Ehhh. If they were going to do something like that, they should have introduced this character at Vol'jin's funeral. I do think it would be neat to have an "adventurer" race leader. For example, if this mysterious child of Vol'jin had adventured alongside the players through Outland/Northrend/Pandaria, etc. That could be interesting. Otherwise, give Rokhan some major screen time and just make him leader.
I'd rather it just go to Vanira, since she already occupied a leadership position and has her own voice actor, but I can easily see Blizzard going "Hey, Rokhan's a perfect Vol'jin clone! Let's just give him the job and forget about the Darkspear for another 3 or 4 expansions.".

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Thinking about how the Horde has deteriorated really blows. When WoW started, every Horde racial leader (Thrall, Vol'jin, Cairne, Sylvanas) was featured in WC3. They were all very recognizable characters. Now? The only Horde leaders from WC3 are Baine and Sylvanas. I'm not even sure if Baine truly counts because he was involved in a tiny side quest and didn't even have any dialogue.

A real damn shame.
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At this point there aren't many "noticeable" characters in Trolls that I'd kind feel like they should have Bwonsamdi as their leader.

That being said, it doesn't really fit. I can't imagine a Loa of the Dead taking orders from any leader, let alone Sylvanas.
I think I could almost live with that, actually.
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Old 08-18-2016, 12:18 PM
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Yenniku changed his name to Yenniku'jin! It is known.
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Old 08-18-2016, 12:29 PM
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I mentioned an unnamed child because Yenniku's the youngest son and the Darkspear chieftain line of succession is hereditary as far as we know. And we're talking about what the Horde would be in the future where Anduin is an old man so there's room to develop current or create new characters.

If Yenniku and his siblings are non-canonized (which admittedly they kind of are) then the current chieftain title should go to Master Gadrin.
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Old 08-19-2016, 08:24 AM
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Old 08-19-2016, 09:07 AM
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Old 08-19-2016, 09:16 AM
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If Vol'jin hadn't been cremated, we could just resurrect him, like the Gurubashi leaders, or raise him as a mummy, like the Amani and Farraki do. Clearly, the Horde leadership wanted to keep him dead!

We must recruit Zanzil, so he may work his voodoo in our favour! Oh Zanzil, Zanzil, I jes' love dat voodoo dat you do.
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Old 08-19-2016, 09:52 AM
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Zen'kiki for Darkspear chieftain.
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Old 08-19-2016, 10:54 AM
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Have they even explained why Vol'jin was cremated?

Trolls are like.....the last race likely to treat their dead in that manner, given literally everything we've ever seen related to Trolls.

The Tauren and Orcs are pretty big on funeral pyres, fine, but Trolls have never been shown to use them to my knowledge.
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:00 AM
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Have they even explained why Vol'jin was cremated?

Trolls are like.....the last race likely to treat their dead in that manner, given literally everything we've ever seen related to Trolls.

The Tauren and Orcs are pretty big on funeral pyres, fine, but Trolls have never been shown to use them to my knowledge.
Cultural appropriation. Blue tauren. Conspiracy.
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:13 AM
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Have they even explained why Vol'jin was cremated?

Trolls are like.....the last race likely to treat their dead in that manner, given literally everything we've ever seen related to Trolls.

The Tauren and Orcs are pretty big on funeral pyres, fine, but Trolls have never been shown to use them to my knowledge.
It's been puzzling me since the initial reveal of Vol'jin being tossed onto the pyre.

The only time we've ever seen the Troll dead burned, is when the player characters have been involved in breaking into their tombs so their dead can't be brought back to life by the Scourge. Otherwise, mummification and/or burial's been the name of the game.

Near as I can tell, this is either a case of Blizzard forgetting their own lore, a retcon (oh no, the Darkspear have always cremated their dead, despite their dead being dedicated to their own loa of death having been established years ago), or Blizzard's way of saying "There, his body's gone, now they have to leave us alone about bringing him back/now they'll never suspect our asspull in bringing him back.".
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:21 AM
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It's been puzzling me since the initial reveal of Vol'jin being tossed onto the pyre.

The only time we've ever seen the Troll dead burned, is when the player characters have been involved in breaking into their tombs so their dead can't be brought back to life by the Scourge. Otherwise, mummification and/or burial's been the name of the game.

Near as I can tell, this is either a case of Blizzard forgetting their own lore, a retcon (oh no, the Darkspear have always cremated their dead, despite their dead being dedicated to their own loa of death having been established years ago), or Blizzard's way of saying "There, his body's gone, now they have to leave us alone about bringing him back/now they'll never suspect our asspull in bringing him back.".
Remember Vol'jin mentioning blue tauren in one of the books? Maybe the trolls who still adhered to their own culture have become a minority?
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:24 AM
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It's been puzzling me since the initial reveal of Vol'jin being tossed onto the pyre.

The only time we've ever seen the Troll dead burned, is when the player characters have been involved in breaking into their tombs so their dead can't be brought back to life by the Scourge. Otherwise, mummification and/or burial's been the name of the game.

Near as I can tell, this is either a case of Blizzard forgetting their own lore, a retcon (oh no, the Darkspear have always cremated their dead, despite their dead being dedicated to their own loa of death having been established years ago), or Blizzard's way of saying "There, his body's gone, now they have to leave us alone about bringing him back/now they'll never suspect our asspull in bringing him back.".
Right, good, so it's not just me that noticed/felt this.

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Old 08-19-2016, 11:29 AM
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I tweeted Kosak and WarcraftDevs, but I doubt that we'll get an answer. With Micky out of the picture, I have no idea whom to tweet.
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:57 AM
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Cultural appropriation. Blue tauren. Conspiracy.
I though Tauren also mummified their dead and left them on those little tables horde graveyards have?
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Old 08-19-2016, 12:08 PM
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I though Tauren also mummified their dead and left them on those little tables horde graveyards have?
They burned Cairne and the elder from the starting zone, didn't they?
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Old 08-19-2016, 12:36 PM
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I'm leaning toward the reason being so people don't ask to Val'kyr him.
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Old 08-19-2016, 12:47 PM
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I'm leaning toward the reason being so people don't ask to Val'kyr him.
You'd think people would adopt the practice after Wrath.
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Old 08-19-2016, 01:48 PM
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You'd think people would adopt the practice after Wrath.
You'd think people would remember undeath is a curse and every waking moment as a shambling corpse is complete hell until they lose their minds and disintegrate.
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Old 08-19-2016, 02:54 PM
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You'd think people would adopt the practice after Wrath.
You'd think they'd do that since before Wrath. Especially the ones that have had dealings with the Scourge.
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Old 08-19-2016, 06:27 PM
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They burned Cairne and the elder from the starting zone, didn't they?
They did. Clearly Blizz doesn't pay enough attention to it's the established burial rites of it's races.
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