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Old 06-27-2017, 10:28 AM
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This is kinda disingenuous considering how faith was used as an extra chain by American slave-owners.
It's even more disingenuous given King was much more radical than modern portrayals make him and received much more coldly by moderates at the time
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:34 AM
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It's even more disingenuous given King was much more radical than modern portrayals make him and received much more coldly by moderates at the time
MLK was the moderate. He denounced the extremists which is something some extremists today don't get to see. MLK's call to judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin would be right-wing extremism. It has been completely trampled over.
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:39 AM
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MLK's call to judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin would be right-wing extremism. It has been completely trampled over.
What do you mean "would be?" Because I'm pretty sure that's neither Rightist nor extreme?
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:46 AM
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What do you mean "would be?" Because I'm pretty sure that's neither Rightist nor extreme?
She's demonized all liberals and continually strawmans the message of

"Implicit bias is a scientifically verified thing" into "Judging people by skin color"
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:46 AM
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What do you mean "would be?" Because I'm pretty sure that's neither Rightist nor extreme?
To some people treating people as individuals is generally regarded as extreme.
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:58 AM
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Of course, Kak was talking about secularism AND liberalism.

The concepts carried in "liberalism" sometimes dance with religion. Back when Christianity was often "the only way", as he described it, both conservatism and liberalism had teeth in it.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:07 AM
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I don't think conservatism and liberalism are really continuous things. They are really abstract and ambiguous. It isn't like an organization with a clear line of succession. It is really wishy-washy and feels like religions in their own right.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:14 AM
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To some people treating people as individuals is generally regarded as extreme.
Yeah, nutjobs. Are you trying to say that to extremists, everyone else is extreme? Fair point, but I'm not sure what it has to do with "right-wing extremism."
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:15 AM
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Yeah, nutjobs. Are you trying to say that to extremists, everyone else is extreme? Fair point, but I'm not sure what it has to do with "right-wing extremism."
I thought for some people that treating people like individuals instead of collectives of different races/genders was considered rightwing extremism?
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:23 AM
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I thought for some people that treating people like individuals instead of collectives of different races/genders was considered rightwing extremism?
There will always be 'some people' who believe the earth is flat and Science is an Illuminati conspiracy. Like I said, nutjobs.

Consider the people who think that all Jews must be exterminated, and that elements of an ethno-religious group should all be judged as one body.
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Old 06-27-2017, 12:21 PM
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There will always be 'some people' who believe the earth is flat and Science is an Illuminati conspiracy. Like I said, nutjobs.

Consider the people who think that all Jews must be exterminated, and that elements of an ethno-religious group should all be judged as one body.
I just don't think MLK was that radical.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:58 PM
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So it looks like churches not only don't pay taxes but get free taxpayer money now.
I want to start a church that's basically a bar, except I get free money for having it and don't have to give anything back. Who's with me?
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Old 06-28-2017, 05:01 AM
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So it looks like churches not only don't pay taxes but get free taxpayer money now.
I want to start a church that's basically a bar, except I get free money for having it and don't have to give anything back. Who's with me?
Only if you share with the congregation.
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So it looks like churches not only don't pay taxes but get free taxpayer money now.
I want to start a church that's basically a bar, except I get free money for having it and don't have to give anything back. Who's with me?
Will there be blackjack and hookers?
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:01 AM
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Old 06-29-2017, 07:57 AM
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Highest-ranking Catholic cardinal in Australia (only 2 people above him in the church including the Pope) is facing criminal charges. I'll give you one guess what for.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/ca...28-gx0v8y.html
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:53 AM
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And another one. A Buddhist monk has been arrested for sexually abusing children.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7836436.html

Why don't religious organizations put more effort into keeping these people out of positions of power?
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:39 AM
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Sorry, I was going back through the thread and this caught my eye:
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I'm pretty sure it was actually the Puritans who ruined the whole "alcohol on Sundays" thing. You know, the guys who think you go to Hell for dancing.
This is a common misconception about the Puritans. Their depictions owe more to the late 19th and early 20th centuries than actual history. They basically became the ideological scapegoats for Americans. Puritans were being blamed, for example, for the American Prohibition. The Puritans were not prohibitionists. They drank alcohol, including beer, whiskey, and rum, albeit in moderation. The Puritans brought beer with them on their ships to America and were active participants in the production and trade of rum in the Atlantic. They also didn't think that you went to Hell for dancing. The issue was that a few prominent Purtians regarded dancing, particularly of mixed genders, as a distraction from pious living that tempted people to sin and slothfulness. Dancing itself, however, was not a sin. How could it be when biblical figures danced? Historically, the actual practices of Puritanical life, including their laxing of dancing restrictions, indicate that they did dance a plenty, both vertically and horizontally.
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:37 PM
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Sorry, I was going back through the thread and this caught my eye:
This is a common misconception about the Puritans. Their depictions owe more to the late 19th and early 20th centuries than actual history. They basically became the ideological scapegoats for Americans. Puritans were being blamed, for example, for the American Prohibition. The Puritans were not prohibitionists. They drank alcohol, including beer, whiskey, and rum, albeit in moderation. The Puritans brought beer with them on their ships to America and were active participants in the production and trade of rum in the Atlantic. They also didn't think that you went to Hell for dancing. The issue was that a few prominent Purtians regarded dancing, particularly of mixed genders, as a distraction from pious living that tempted people to sin and slothfulness. Dancing itself, however, was not a sin. How could it be when biblical figures danced? Historically, the actual practices of Puritanical life, including their laxing of dancing restrictions, indicate that they did dance a plenty, both vertically and horizontally.
The Puritans were extremely pious, but less grim than is often assumed.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:44 PM
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The FFRF is suing the president due to his unconstitutional "religious liberty" law that lets religions have more political power.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/atheist...xecutive-order
Religious organizations are the new PACs, I guess.
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Old 08-15-2017, 10:34 AM
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The FFRF is suing the president due to his unconstitutional "religious liberty" law that lets religions have more political power.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/atheist...xecutive-order
Religious organizations are the new PACs, I guess.
Wait, why are they claiming this would favour religious organisations over non-religious organisations?
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:18 AM
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Wait, why are they claiming this would favour religious organisations over non-religious organisations?
Yes, basically it allows religious nonprofits to be politically active while secular ones still can't. Which is bad.
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Old 08-17-2017, 02:42 AM
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Old 08-18-2017, 03:42 AM
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Old 08-18-2017, 04:26 AM
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