Scrolls of Lore Forums  

Go Back   Scrolls of Lore Forums > Scrolls of Lore > General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old 06-15-2014, 05:45 PM
Ashendant Ashendant is offline

Elune
Ashendant's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Portugal
Posts: 15,557
BattleTag: Ashendant#2130

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroombie View Post
Point still stands. If medicine is what it takes for someone to achieve what they want, then more power to them. In some ways, I almost wish I'd been prescribed certain drugs, because I've seen the effects with some friends and it is remarkable.
The problem is when the effects begin to weaken and you still are left with a dependency.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 06-15-2014, 05:55 PM
PajamaSalad PajamaSalad is offline

Elune
PajamaSalad's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Undisclosed location in the Universe.
Posts: 42,139

Default

Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 06-15-2014, 06:38 PM
Eagan Eagan is offline

Eternal
Eagan's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,136

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dithon1 View Post

I'd rather not end up a fat neckbeard who's too caught up in his own fantasies to make anything of himself.
If you don't want to end up like that, then why do you feel as such when you are not on this drug? What is the root of the lack of motivation you feel when not on the drug?
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 06-15-2014, 07:11 PM
Dithon1 Dithon1 is offline

Needs A Hug
Dithon1's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Over the hills and far away.
Posts: 6,136

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagan View Post
If you don't want to end up like that, then why do you feel as such when you are not on this drug? What is the root of the lack of motivation you feel when not on the drug?
Something something brain chemistry.


Possibly undiagnosed depression. Runs in the family, after all.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 06-15-2014, 07:53 PM
Eagan Eagan is offline

Eternal
Eagan's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,136

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dithon1 View Post
Something something brain chemistry.

Possibly undiagnosed depression. Runs in the family, after all.
There is always a root. Don't let yourself be abused by diagnoses, medicines and doctors. Mental health isn't the science that psychiatrists like to purport it is. You need to figure out why you feel how you feel, and you need to parry with that root until you can extricate it.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 06-18-2014, 06:43 AM
Noitora Noitora is offline

Elune
Noitora's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 34,690
BattleTag: Chillman#1339

Default

How do people feel about e-cigs? Are they safer than cigarettes? Is it safer than smoking weed? Is it safe to use period?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 06-18-2014, 07:01 AM
Magistrix Verdande Magistrix Verdande is offline

Elune
Magistrix Verdande's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Xerrath
Posts: 11,081
BattleTag: Malice#2774

Default

People with no medical background, telling a person with diagnosed ADD/ADHD to stop taking prescribed medicine because reasons, need to fuck off.

Dithon, have you spoken to the psychiatrist who prescribed the pills to you? It's not uncommon that patients have to change their medicine and/or dosage as time wears on, both because you might be habituated to them or because your life situation has changed. The medicine that worked for you when you were a 16-17 year old teenager might no longer be suited for you now, not only because of age, but because of various things having happened inside and outside of you, which may have altered how you process things. '

So fuck everyone on this forum and what they are saying (including me), and go see a medical professional.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagan View Post
Mental health isn't the science that psychiatrists like to purport it is.
Oh, fuck you. This falls right into the don't vaccinate your children-crew.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagan View Post
You need to figure out why you feel how you feel, and you need to parry with that root until you can extricate it.
This, on the other hand, I agree with. Medication isn't the automatic answer to everything - but that's a decision you need to discuss and take with yourself, your family and your doctor - not with strangers on the internet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noitora View Post
How do people feel about e-cigs?
I think they look pretty.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noitora View Post
Are they safer than cigarettes?
Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noitora View Post
Is it safer than smoking weed?
Depends on what you put in it. You can smoke weed with them as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noitora View Post
Is it safe to use period?
Smoking is never safe. It's a safer alternative to normal cigarettes, because they're without tar. But they still have nicotine, and some flavouring chemicals might be unhealthier than others.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Pratchett
Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 06-18-2014, 08:23 AM
Eagan Eagan is offline

Eternal
Eagan's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,136

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magistrix Verdande View Post
People with no medical background, telling a person with diagnosed ADD/ADHD to stop taking prescribed medicine because reasons, need to fuck off.

Oh, fuck you. This falls right into the don't vaccinate your children-crew.

This, on the other hand, I agree with. Medication isn't the automatic answer to everything - but that's a decision you need to discuss and take with yourself, your family and your doctor - not with strangers on the internet.
My mother is a psychiatrist, and I have a lot of personal experience in this regard. If someone has polio, it is easy to figure out that they have polio. Polio has easily determined physical symptoms which can be observed without the subjective input of the patient. If someone is diagnosed with "depression", on the other hand, the basis for that diagnosis is usually based on what a patient says that they feel. This is not a criteria that is concrete, or tangible.

Mental health diagnoses are very subjective. Most mental health professionals only base their diagnoses on what the patient tells them. However, many patients have difficulty expressing themselves, to say the least, and of course much of what the patient says must be interpreted by the doctor. A doctor might say "you have depression", but it isn't really clear what that means. Throw the person on a few anti-depressants, or maybe anti-anxiety drugs, and that's that, they might say. But that never really works, and leads to a cycle of drug abuse, ignoring substantial problems that actually exist which cannot be solved by drugs.

It isn't at all comparable to "anti-vaccination" nonsense. Fundamentally, a psychiatrist doesn't know much more than anyone else, merely that they are given a book of subjective criteria that they must then apply to the subjective words of a patient's behaviour. There are some mental-health diagnoses that are less subjective, and which have more objective criteria. However, diagnoses like "depression", "anxiety", and "ADHD", are not clear, and quite unhelpful to the patients themselves.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 06-18-2014, 10:04 AM
Ashendant Ashendant is offline

Elune
Ashendant's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Portugal
Posts: 15,557
BattleTag: Ashendant#2130

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magistrix Verdande View Post
People with no medical background, telling a person with diagnosed ADD/ADHD to stop taking prescribed medicine because reasons, need to fuck off.
I'm not telling people to stop taking them as that should be up to the doctor decision. I'm however warning that there are negative consequences to them, and that I personally wouldn't want to take them.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
eye of kilrog

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.